Should I eat what my parents put before me? Orthodox Fasting

[jesuslover811]

I am still a child and I live with my parents but I consider myself orthodox. For general fasting like Wednesdays and Fridays should I just eat what my parents give me? I want to honor them ofcource but when should I draw the line. Can someone give me some guidance on when I should eat what they give me and when I should fast? They are christian but they do not fast.

 

[JesusTheMessiah]

I am still a child and I live with my parents but I consider myself orthodox. For general fasting like Wednesdays and Fridays should I just eat what my parents give me? I want to honor them ofcource but when should I draw the line. Can someone give me some guidance on when I should eat what they give me and when I should fast? They are christian but they do not fast.

First of all, hello and welcome to CF

Have you talked to your parents about this issue? If so, what do they say?

Be blessed,

Manno

 

[messianist]

Welcome to cf

 

[Norbert L]

When talking to parents who vary in attitudes towards having meals or lack thereof, it's hard to predict how they will react. You might find they are accommodating or reply as if you're making a bad decision.

Buckle your seatbelt and get ready for the impact of the words you choose to engage them with.

If they have a negative reaction and take opposition to your explanation. You'll likely find that this scripture is easier said than done:

"..first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye." Matt 7:5

Until you can afford to put a roof over your head and food in your own fridge. You're going to need to deal with your parents decisions about what or what not to eat.

 

[returntosender]

For me it is "my house my rules" but I would talk to your parents as Norbert suggested.
Can't you just not eat on those days?

 

[The Liturgist]

I am still a child and I live with my parents but I consider myself orthodox. For general fasting like Wednesdays and Fridays should I just eat what my parents give me? I want to honor them ofcource but when should I draw the line. Can someone give me some guidance on when I should eat what they give me and when I should fast? They are christian but they do not fast.

Welcome to Christian Forums!

@prodromos @GreekOrthodox @All4Christ and @HTacianas are Eastern Orthodox Christians and @dzheremi @ArmenianJohn and @Pavel Mosko are Oriental Orthodox Christians who can provide a definite answer depending on which Orthodox church you want to join (the Oriental Orthodox are the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Ethiopian, Eritrean and Indian Orthodox churches, whereas the Eastern Orthodox comprise everything else, like the Russian Orthodox Church, the various Greek Orthodox churches, the Georgian Orthodox, the Romanian Orthodox, the Serbian Orthodox, the Bulgarian Orthodox, the Orthodox Church in the Ukraine, the Polish Orthodox, the Antiochian Orthodox, the Cypriot Orthodox, the Albanian Orthodox, the Czech and Slovak Orthodox, and the Orthodox Church in America, to name the 15 autocephalous Orthodox churches, and there are also the many autonomous Orthodox churches like the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad (ROCOR), and the Ukrainian, Belarussian, Latvian, Chinese and Japanese Orthodox Churches under the Russian Orthodox Church, the Finnish and Estonian Orthodox Churches under the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, and the smallest autonomous Orthodox church, the Church of Sinai, under the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, whic consists of the ancient St. Catharine’s Monastery, which has some of the oldest and most important icons in the world, like Christ Pantocrator and the Ladder of Divine Ascent; the oldest complete Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus, was stolen from its library in the 19th century. I believe they also have a few chapels outside the walls of the monastery, and the monks will visit the few Orthodox Christians in the sparsely populated peninsula as needed; they also provide free medical care to the Bedouin tribes.

There are many other autonomous Orthodox churches, and even more dioceses, that cater to specific people or regions, for example, the massive Archdiocese of Alaska in the Orthodox Church in America, which was founded by the Russian Orthodox missionaries like St. Herman and St. Innocent.

Now, moving onto your question, my Orthodox friends will correct me if I am wrong, however, as a tentative answer:

My understanding is that during fasts, you should always accept hospitality, food given to you by your hosts, in this case your parents, even if it violates the fasting regulations. It is when you prepare your own food or eat out on your own in a restaurant that you should follow the fasting rules.

Also, try to get your parents to support your decision to be an Orthodox Christian. Learn about the history of the church and get your parents to take you to liturgies. Explain how the Orthodox Church has historically been persecuted violently by the Roman Empire, the Persian Empire, Islamic extremists, who on many occasions attempted genocides, particularly Tamerlane and the Ottoman Empire, the Roman Catholics and the Protestants, the Communist regime in the Soviet Union, the Nazis in Belarus and Ukraine, the Nazi-aligned fascist Ustashe dictatorship in Croatia, and most recently, by the Islamic State. Learn about the charitable programs of the church. Try to get your parents to support you in joining the church and being baptized.

Don’t try any of this on your own; pray for God to help you, and seek the intercessions of the Theotokos. If you cant go to Orthodox church services, watch them online, and use one of the many freely available prayer books. Learn to say the Jesus Prayer. You can’t persuade your parents to let you be Orthodox without asking God to help you, and pray to him that your Orthodoxy be a blessing and gift for your parents that will in time make them proud of you.

I will pray for you! God bless you.

 

[The Liturgist]

For me it is "my house my rules" but I would talk to your parents as Norbert suggested.
Can't you just not eat on those days?

I believe that exceeds the fasting rule of the Orthodox Church and you are only supposed to do that on a few days in Holy Week, like Good Friday, health permitting, and in some of the Oriental Orthodox churches during the Fast of the Ninevites.

 

[The Liturgist]

Oh @jesuslover811 one other thing - my understanding is that youths have some exceptions to the fasting rule due to the need for nutrition to facilitate your growing body.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Are you attending an Orthodox church? If so, talk to your priest about the situation. As for the Wednesday and Friday fasts, you could talk to your parents that if possible to plan vegetarian meals those days. For the longer fasts, this might be more problematic with planning meals. Otherwise say a few extra prayers and keep to humility.

Have a joyous Nativity Feast!

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I am still a child and I live with my parents but I consider myself orthodox. For general fasting like Wednesdays and Fridays should I just eat what my parents give me? I want to honor them ofcource but when should I draw the line. Can someone give me some guidance on when I should eat what they give me and when I should fast? They are christian but they do not fast.

Maybe you won't like my answer but I would counsel someone in your situation where you are a dependent on your parents (presumably a minor or only recently an adult that still relies on his parents) ought to obey the commandment to honor your mother and father. Fasting will be meaningless if it causes you to sin - just as feasting would be. If you stole food in order to feast, it would be silly to ask how to feast correctly since you're sinning in order to feast ostensibly in a religious way. It goes the same for fasting.

Don't disobey or dishonor your parents, you're better off not fasting if that's what it is causing. And the way you talk about fasting sounds extreme, I don't fast that way at all. Neither does my cousin who is a monk.

I'd wish you a Merry Christmas but Christmas isn't till next month.

 

[The Liturgist]

Maybe you won't like my answer but I would counsel someone in your situation where you are a dependent on your parents (presumably a minor or only recently an adult that still relies on his parents) ought to obey the commandment to honor your mother and father. Fasting will be meaningless if it causes you to sin - just as feasting would be. If you stole food in order to feast, it would be silly to ask how to feast correctly since you're sinning in order to feast ostensibly in a religious way. It goes the same for fasting.

Don't disobey or dishonor your parents, you're better off not fasting if that's what it is causing.

Indeed, this is also what I was getting at when I mentioned that when Christians fast, we are never supposed to refuse food offered to us by our hosts, and I had a very loving relationship with my parents so this occurred to me before disobedience, but indeed, it would be wrong to refuse the food your parents give you for reasons of hospitality, or that they require you to eat in obedience, because we are commanded to honor our parents, whereas fasting is not a commandment in Orthodoxy but a tool to control ones passions.

I myself was told not to fast by my parish priest after I developed a chronic digestive ailment, because the risk to my health was a sin outweighing the potential ascetic gain (I have no appetite much of the time and when I do, it is often limited).

Neither does my cousin who is a monk.

Is there an Armenian Orthodox monastery in the US? The only ones I know of are in Jerusalem, Lebanon, at the headquarters of the Catholicos of the Great House of Cilicia, and Holy Etchmiadzin, the mother church for Armenians, and the oldest cathedral in the world built by a Christian monarch, on the site where during the mission of St. Gregory the Illuminator to Armenia, the miraculous appearance of Christ occurred (correct me if Im wrong, but Etchmiadzin means “God Descended.”)

I'd wish you a Merry Christmas but Christmas isn't till next month.

Merry Christmas and Epiphany!

For those confused by @ArmenianJohn ’s statement, the largest Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches (the Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, and on the Oriental side, the Copts, Ethiopians and Eritreans) and all Orthodox churches in Jerusalem use the Old Calendar rather than the Gregorian Calendar. The Armenians mostly use the Gregorian, except in the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem, however, the Armenian Apostolic Church (the official name of the Armemian Oriental Orthodox) is the last Christian church to maintain the ancient custom of celebrating the Feast of the Nativity and Theophany together, on January 6th, which happens to be December 24th on the Old Calendar (and the liturgical focus is mostly on the Nativity as one might expect). In Jerusalem, the Armenians celebrate the Nativity and Theophany on January 6th on the Julian Calendar, which I think is January 18th Gregorian.

In addition to the Russians and Ukrainians, the Georgians, Serbians, Latvians, Lithuanians, some Poles, those Estonian Orthodox under the Moscow Patriarch, and the monasteries of Mount Athos in Greece and St. Catharine of Sinai in Egypt, and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and parts of the Orthodox Church in America, among others, use the Julian Calendar. The Coptic Orthodox use the Coptic Calendar, which is identical to the Julian Calendar in every respect except the names and durations of months. In the Coptic Church, Advent falls in the month of Khiakh, and the Advent hymns of the Coptic Church, the Khiakh Psalmody, are especially beautiful. Actually the while many Orthodox churches have a separate hymnal for Lent and Holy Week, like the Eastern Orthodox Triodion, the Coptic Church is the only one to also have a special hymnal for Advent (because the Khiakh Psalmody is very different from the Annual Psalmody; the Coptic Church also has a book called the Paschalion for the last days of Lent, Holy Week and Easter, and unlike most other churches, only uses different liturgical colors - dark blue instead of bright red stoles worn by deacons, and black vestments worn by priests and bishops instead of white, on certain days in Holy Week, before reverting to the white, gold and red vestments for Easter.

@ArmenianJohn - since I am less familiar with Armenian liturgics than with Syriac Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox, although I love the liturgical music of Yekmalyan, and Komitas even more, as well as the ancient chants on which they are based (i also like the lesser known setting of the Patarag by Manas, which reminds me of Yekmalian but is simpler), on Pascha (Easter Sunday) your main service is in the morning rather than just after midnight like in the Coptic, Syriac and most Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic traditions (excepting some Ruthenian and Ukrainian Greek Catholics who used a Latinized form of the Byzantine Rite liturgy prior to Vatican II.

Oh, also, a fun fact: the Georgian Catholics initially used the Armenian Rite rather than the Byzantine Rite, because the Russian Orthodox Church and Georgian Orthodox Church were merged under the control of the Czar, and the Patriarchs of these churches were abolished, with the Russian church being run as a government department until 1917, and initially the Procurator, or government minister in charge of ecclesiastical affairs, would not let the Georgian Catholics use the Byzantine Rite liturgy, so they used the Armenian, because the text of the Armenian Eucharistic liturgy, or Patarag*, is closest to the Byzantine Rite Divine Liturgy. I expect the Georgian Catholics were singing Georgian hymns and using the Byzantine typikon and Byzantine vestments as opposed to the Armenian directory (the Typikon and the Directory specify the rubrics for the liturgical services throughout the year, like what services should be celebrated, when they should be celebrated, what hymns should be used, and so on, but they do not contain the text for the services; the rubrics for Armenian Lent are very different from those for Byzantine Lent, and because of differences like these, I suspect the Georgian Catholics were using an odd hybrid of the Armenian and Georgian-Russian-Byzantine
liturgy).

A sad fact: the largest Sui Juris Eastern Catholic Church was the Armenian Catholic Church, until the Turkish genocide in 1915. Now it is one of the smallest.


*(or Badarak or Soorp Badarak in Western Armenian; - I am slightly dyslexic @ArmenianJohn so correct me if I am backwards, it means Holy Sacrifice, like the Syriac Orthodox name for the Eucharistic liturgy, the Qurbono Qadisho) is closest to the text of the

 

[jesuslover811]

Thank you for your responses everyone I will take this into great consideration this has been incredibly useful

 

[Michie]

Thank you for your responses everyone I will take this into great consideration this has been incredibly useful

Another good place to ask: The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Thank you for your responses everyone I will take this into great consideration this has been incredibly useful

I just realized that perhaps my response re Christmas may have come off the wrong way and may have sounded smug or insulting, which was NOT my intention! Was just making light of the weird phenomenon that my Church celebrates it Jan 6 rather than Dec. 25 - sorry if it came off bad! I hope you and everyone had a VERY Merry Christmas! (Thanks @The Liturgist for explaining it in your post!!!) And Happy New Year and all the best in 2022!!!

 

[The Liturgist]

I just realized that perhaps my response re Christmas may have come off the wrong way and may have sounded smug or insulting, which was NOT my intention! Was just making light of the weird phenomenon that my Church celebrates it Jan 6 rather than Dec. 25 - sorry if it came off bad! I hope you and everyone had a VERY Merry Christmas! (Thanks @The Liturgist for explaining it in your post!!!) And Happy New Year and all the best in 2022!!!

It didnt come off smug to me, but I once inadvertently joined a church of Russian old calendarist schismatics thinking that it was ROCOR...it turned out to be “ROCOR-A” and exists only because of opposition to ecumenical dialogue, unlike the Greek Old Calendarists, who have endured a century of persecution from the police, going back to the 1920s...specifically, their clergy get harassed by Greek police, sometimes the police will tear off their cassocks, or take them to a barber and hold them down while they are forcibly shaved and given a buzz cut

 

[jesuslover811]

I just realized that perhaps my response re Christmas may have come off the wrong way and may have sounded smug or insulting, which was NOT my intention! Was just making light of the weird phenomenon that my Church celebrates it Jan 6 rather than Dec. 25 - sorry if it came off bad! I hope you and everyone had a VERY Merry Christmas! (Thanks @The Liturgist for explaining it in your post!!!) And Happy New Year and all the best in 2022!!!

Do not worry about it I do not think it was harmful whatsoever and it is perfectly appropriate

 

[Malleeboy]

OK my son got interested Orthodoxy and wanted to fast.

My wife and I are evangelical but attend church that does do fasting fairly consistently, although not as strictly set in formula.

However, if your family come from an Arminian tradition you can tell them that John Wesley fasted almost identically to Orthodox. (nearly all arminians respect Wesley).


Wife has taken to cooking vegan and making fasting appropriate snacks for him when he is studying. Even though he is not firmly committed to Orthodoxy, fasting is a spiritual discipline that Jesus clearly endorsed.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Indeed, this is also what I was getting at when I mentioned that when Christians fast, we are never supposed to refuse food offered to us by our hosts, and I had a very loving relationship with my parents so this occurred to me before disobedience, but indeed, it would be wrong to refuse the food your parents give you for reasons of hospitality, or that they require you to eat in obedience, because we are commanded to honor our parents, whereas fasting is not a commandment in Orthodoxy but a tool to control ones passions.

Yes, I noticed that that was what you were getting at and was glad to see you did. I think the beauty of Christianity is that even when it seems to be its most dogmatic it is still a religion of pure Grace of God which is Perfect and our Christian Liberty overrides our various "rules" and traditions because the top "rule' is that of Love being over all. And Love (agape, God's Love) is about loving others as you would love yourself. So, to honor one's parents correctly is to love and honor them and sometimes (usually) that will override our traditions. People and their souls are at the front of God's Love and we are to reflect that. In an extreme example - you wouldn't take communion rather than help someone who is dying in front of you.

I myself was told not to fast by my parish priest after I developed a chronic digestive ailment, because the risk to my health was a sin outweighing the potential ascetic gain (I have no appetite much of the time and when I do, it is often limited).

And here again we see how God values our lives and well-being so highly that it is not considered disobedience to take care of ourselves and our fellow man over what is a Church tradition, rite, etc. God is all-powerful and knows our hearts. Our woks are outpouring from our hearts and our hearts for God are for helping people (including ourselves) with basic life needs.

Is there an Armenian Orthodox monastery in the US? The only ones I know of are in Jerusalem, Lebanon, at the headquarters of the Catholicos of the Great House of Cilicia, and Holy Etchmiadzin, the mother church for Armenians, and the oldest cathedral in the world built by a Christian monarch, on the site where during the mission of St. Gregory the Illuminator to Armenia, the miraculous appearance of Christ occurred (correct me if Im wrong, but Etchmiadzin means “God Descended.”)

I don't believe there are any. We have a seminary in New York (state) and our seminaries are probably very much like monasteries, because in monasteries in Armenia there is teaching and training that happens. Monks in Armenian Apostolic Church are not quite as sequestered and ascetic as in other Orthodox or Catholic churches. Many of them you would think are just priests or bishops; indeed many of them even do the same roles whuile also remaining monks. I think all of them are teachers/trainers in some capacity, whether as priest or bishop or teacher in seminary or Church School. On my father's side I am descended from 32 generations of priests (all named "John", hence their family name of "Der Hovhannessian" ("Der" means "God" but also is the title for a priest, like "Father" and "Hovhaness" is "John" in Armenian). However, my grandmother and her father were named "Varjabedian" - a "varjabed" is a Church Teacher (a "vardabed" is a priest). So her father was not a priest but an ordained Church Teacher (like a priest but duty was to teach, and he was not a monk else he wouldn't have been married and had kids).

But the cousin I'm referring to is my mother's cousin actually who is very old and still alive (as far as I know) in Jerusalem. He was a teacher in the Armenian school there (in the Armenian Quarter).

Merry Christmas and Epiphany!

For those confused by @ArmenianJohn ’s statement, the largest Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches (the Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, and on the Oriental side, the Copts, Ethiopians and Eritreans) and all Orthodox churches in Jerusalem use the Old Calendar rather than the Gregorian Calendar. The Armenians mostly use the Gregorian, except in the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem, however, the Armenian Apostolic Church (the official name of the Armemian Oriental Orthodox) is the last Christian church to maintain the ancient custom of celebrating the Feast of the Nativity and Theophany together, on January 6th, which happens to be December 24th on the Old Calendar (and the liturgical focus is mostly on the Nativity as one might expect). In Jerusalem, the Armenians celebrate the Nativity and Theophany on January 6th on the Julian Calendar, which I think is January 18th Gregorian.

In addition to the Russians and Ukrainians, the Georgians, Serbians, Latvians, Lithuanians, some Poles, those Estonian Orthodox under the Moscow Patriarch, and the monasteries of Mount Athos in Greece and St. Catharine of Sinai in Egypt, and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and parts of the Orthodox Church in America, among others, use the Julian Calendar. The Coptic Orthodox use the Coptic Calendar, which is identical to the Julian Calendar in every respect except the names and durations of months. In the Coptic Church, Advent falls in the month of Khiakh, and the Advent hymns of the Coptic Church, the Khiakh Psalmody, are especially beautiful. Actually the while many Orthodox churches have a separate hymnal for Lent and Holy Week, like the Eastern Orthodox Triodion, the Coptic Church is the only one to also have a special hymnal for Advent (because the Khiakh Psalmody is very different from the Annual Psalmody; the Coptic Church also has a book called the Paschalion for the last days of Lent, Holy Week and Easter, and unlike most other churches, only uses different liturgical colors - dark blue instead of bright red stoles worn by deacons, and black vestments worn by priests and bishops instead of white, on certain days in Holy Week, before reverting to the white, gold and red vestments for Easter.

Thanks for this great explanation. I learned from it. You correctly noted that my church observes Christmas on Jan 6 and you correctly did not apply that to our Easter. Our Church actually celebrates Easter when the Roman Catholic (and protestant) Churches do. I don't have an explanation, but that's how we do it - Jan. 6 for Christmas and then Easter with the majority of Catholic/Protestant Christianity rather than Eastern Orthodox. And really those of us living in the West (especially America/Europe) just celebrate Dec. 25th anyway. But my suister-in-law who is from Armenia said over the weekend that most Russians barely celebrate the 25th and they more observe Jan. 6, like us.

But she went on to explain that Christmas is the smaller holiday over the former Soviet nations, and that New Year's is the BIG holiday of that time. Also interesting to note that in Armenian they wish you a Happy New Year and Christmas (in that order) - "Shnorhovar Nor Dari yev Surp Dznunt" (transliterated as "Happy New Year and Holy Nativity"). And then on New Year's they exchange gifts (only one usually but a big one) and on Christmas they don't, or maybe a couple small ones, and mostly they just go to Church if anything. But because of the rest of the world they now celebrate Dec. 25th and incorporate more of the Western traditions like gift exchanges, the lore, the music, etc. I consider it American influence through TV/movies/internet. It's not a bad thing, just new and interesting.

@ArmenianJohn - since I am less familiar with Armenian liturgics than with Syriac Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox, although I love the liturgical music of Yekmalyan, and Komitas even more, as well as the ancient chants on which they are based (i also like the lesser known setting of the Patarag by Manas, which reminds me of Yekmalian but is simpler), on Pascha (Easter Sunday) your main service is in the morning rather than just after midnight like in the Coptic, Syriac and most Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic traditions (excepting some Ruthenian and Ukrainian Greek Catholics who used a Latinized form of the Byzantine Rite liturgy prior to Vatican II.

You have a good knowledge of Armenian music history! Komidas is considered the great musician of the Church. Badarak is what we call our liturgy and means "sacrifice". As I mentioned before, our Easter is the same day as the Catholics' Easter, making our Lenten period roughly the same as the Cathlics' (except ours starts on the Monday before Ash Wednesday).

Oh, also, a fun fact: the Georgian Catholics initially used the Armenian Rite rather than the Byzantine Rite, because the Russian Orthodox Church and Georgian Orthodox Church were merged under the control of the Czar, and the Patriarchs of these churches were abolished, with the Russian church being run as a government department until 1917, and initially the Procurator, or government minister in charge of ecclesiastical affairs, would not let the Georgian Catholics use the Byzantine Rite liturgy, so they used the Armenian, because the text of the Armenian Eucharistic liturgy, or Patarag*, is closest to the Byzantine Rite Divine Liturgy. I expect the Georgian Catholics were singing Georgian hymns and using the Byzantine typikon and Byzantine vestments as opposed to the Armenian directory (the Typikon and the Directory specify the rubrics for the liturgical services throughout the year, like what services should be celebrated, when they should be celebrated, what hymns should be used, and so on, but they do not contain the text for the services; the rubrics for Armenian Lent are very different from those for Byzantine Lent, and because of differences like these, I suspect the Georgian Catholics were using an odd hybrid of the Armenian and Georgian-Russian-Byzantine
liturgy).

The Georgians have a lot of influence from Armenia, especially in their Church. They use the same cone-top domes that we use and there are other similarities. Much culture is shared between the two due to millennia of history together. Even their alphabet has similarities to ours. Legend says that two Armenian Church saints received alphabet in a vision from God for the purpose of writing the Bible. Well, we did create our written alphabet for that purpose, but it looks like a lot of influence comes from the amharic alphabet which pre-dated it. That makes sense because the closest Church to ours was always the Ethiopian. The clergy of both Churches worked together very closely for centuries and the two nations and cultures have shared a close bond throughout history. At one time in Ethiopia (within the last hundred or two hundred years) any Armenian was considered Ethiopian citizen automatically. this was due to Emperor Heile Selassi's affection for Armenians. Selassi was Ras (Prince) Tafari, and was the basis for the Jamaican's "Rastafarian" religion (although Selassie was not a participant in it himself - he even went to Jamaica to help convert them to Ethiopian Orthodox Church and had some success).

A sad fact: the largest Sui Juris Eastern Catholic Church was the Armenian Catholic Church, until the Turkish genocide in 1915. Now it is one of the smallest.

There are still Armenian Roman Catholics but they are the smallest group. The Evangelicals also were decimated. But in the end, all Armenians were decimated, it's just that the Protestants and Catholics were smaller groups to begin with so their losses were very prominent.

*(or Badarak or Soorp Badarak in Western Armenian; - I am slightly dyslexic @ArmenianJohn so correct me if I am backwards, it means Holy Sacrifice, like the Syriac Orthodox name for the Eucharistic liturgy, the Qurbono Qadisho) is closest to the text of the

All the spelling differences are due to Eastern vs. Western Armenian - neither one is wrong. B and P are switched, T and D, G and K - that's about it. Some other different words between the two. Similar to the difference between British and American English. My family is from Beirut and Middle East and Turkey so we are very much Western Armenian.