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Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

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Nobody in this conversation refutes that. But that has nothing to do with whether or not systemic racism exists TODAY
You seem to be refutinig it by sayng the past does not effect systemic racism "TODAY" You don't get it so...... do some reading.
Now instead of insisting I read a bunch of books, how ‘bout if you simply explain what you meant by that?
I have and I just did again. You seem to not comprehend. THat's why I say you should study the topic.
 
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You are trying to change the definition to fit your narrative.. Even using your flawed definition there is no system in place that discriminates against black Americans.
No YOU don't comprehend the whole topic of systemic racism. You think it's all about the law but it's about the racism system put in place by the founding fathers and perpetuated for the next 400 years. You think that has had no effect on society? Read more and you may understand but I get the feeling you don't want to understand, you just want to post your blurbs saying "nu-uh."
 
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You seem to be refutinig it by sayng the past does not effect systemic racism "TODAY" You don't get it so...... do some reading.

I have and I just did again. You seem to not comprehend. THat's why I say you should study the topic.
No. We got rid of systemic racism and the system protects minorities.
 
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No YOU don't comprehend the whole topic of systemic racism. You think it's all about the law but it's about the racism system put in place by the founding fathers and perpetuated for the next 400 years. You think that has had no effect on society? Read more and you may understand but I get the feeling you don't want to understand, you just want to post your blurbs saying "nu-uh."
No. This thread is about modern day systemic racism. It doesn't exist. You just don't want to admit it
 
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No. This thread is about modern day systemic racism. It doesn't exist. You just don't want to admit it
You just don't want to admit you don't know what systemic racism really means. You are talking about civil rights law, not systemic racism. You don't seem to get it but I hope you will study the topic one day and learn more about what systemic racism really is.
 
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You just don't want to admit you don't know what systemic racism really means. You are talking about civil rights law, not systemic racism. You don't seem to get it but I hope you will study the topic one day and learn more about what systemic racism really is.
Lol. Nope. Its you who don't know what it means. Besides I gave the definition I was using in this thread. Why are you arguing against that definition? Prove that definition exists. Also you haven't shown examples of any kind of systemic racism.
 
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You seem to be refutinig it by sayng the past does not effect systemic racism "TODAY" You don't get it so...... do some reading.
I never claimed the past didn’t effect racism, but we’re talking about systemic racism something I’m convinced does not exist; not individual racism which obviously does. If you wanna make your case, you need to speak up instead of making arrogant suggestions that if I did more reading I would somehow agree with you.
 
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Lol. Nope. Its you who don't know what it means. Besides I gave the definition I was using in this thread. Why are you arguing against that definition? Prove that definition exists. Also you haven't shown examples of any kind of systemic racism.
I have shown it over and over. You are just stuck on your false definition.
 
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I never claimed the past didn’t effect racism, but we’re talking about systemic racism something I’m convinced does not exist; not individual racism which obviously does. If you wanna make your case, you need to speak up instead of making arrogant suggestions that if I did more reading I would somehow agree with you.
You don't have to agree with me but you do need to learn more about the term. The racist system put in place 400-500- years ago in this country taught people to be racist (especially white people). That has been passed down to the current generation. That is what makes it systemic. It is a result of a racist system that we lived under for hundreds of years. You seem to think we can change 500 years of indoctrination in one or two generations. You're wrong and you need to learn more about the topic.
 
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I have shown it over and over. You are just stuck on your false definition.
You haven't shown any example of systemic racism by any definition. Statistically Asians do better than black americans do. Is that systemic racism?
 
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You don't have to agree with me but you do need to learn more about the term. The racist system put in place 400-500- years ago in this country taught people to be racist (especially white people). That has been passed down to the current generation. That is what makes it systemic. It is a result of a racist system that we lived under for hundreds of years. You seem to think we can change 500 years of indoctrination in one or two generations. You're wrong and you need to learn more about the topic.
We removed systemic racism though. It's gone. It doesn't exist anymore
 
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You haven't shown any example of systemic racism by any definition. Statistically Asians do better than black americans do. Is that systemic racism?
Read more and you will get your answer. I have given many examples. Read a book, it won't hurt you.
 
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We removed systemic racism though. It's gone. It doesn't exist anymore
No, it hasn't been removed. A law was passed, doesn't mean the people who were taught to be racist by their racist parents who were taught by their racist parents aren't still practicing racism.
 
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The insult is unnecessary. In your mind you proved your case.
I'm noting your refusal to study the issue and find out what you are really talking about.
 
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No, it hasn't been removed. A law was passed, doesn't mean the people who were taught to be racist by their racist parents who were taught by their racist parents aren't still practicing racism.
Asians do better than black Americans. Is that systemic racism? Just because there is a small percentage of racism on all sides doesn't mean the system is racist.
 
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I'm noting your refusal to study the issue and find out what you are really talking about.
I know what I'm talking about. You are accusing white people of being racist. Its not the system its the white people. Thats a racist attitude
 
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You don't have to agree with me but you do need to learn more about the term. The racist system put in place 400-500- years ago in this country taught people to be racist (especially white people).
Things are different now, and that system has changed.
That has been passed down to the current generation. That is what makes it systemic.
Take a look at the real world and you will see that system no longer exists. If you disagree, point to one of the systems.
It is a result of a racist system that we lived under for hundreds of years. You seem to think we can change 500 years of indoctrination in one or two generations.
Mankind has changed over the past 500 years. That’s why people like you are left claiming systemic racism exists, but when challenged to point to it, all you can do is claim those who disagree with you need to learn more about the topic. If there were an ounce of merit to your claims, you would be able to show me (and everybody else disagreeing with you) where we are wrong. Instead you keep insisting we need to learn more, need to read more books, because you cannot refute anything we say. You make empty claims with no way of backing anything up.
 
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That's why I say you should read more about the topic you are debating. The law isn't the only system that exists. To understand how this is systemic, you have to study how we got to this point. Yes, the laws have changed but there is still a whole generation that hasn't and the people they have influenced.

Death will handle that.

This is similar to the situation of the Israelites freed from Egyptian bondage. The generation that had been raised from childhood to adulthood in Egypt never cast off the bondage. It was necessary for that generation to die off before the nation could enter the Promised Land.

I keep saying that the Boomer generation will simply have to die off.

People after the Boomer generation do not understand the depth of difference between Boomers (as a cohort) and their children's cohort. You young people do not understand the social thoroughness of America's apartheid system and incredible difference that was wrought when it was removed (a process that took about 30 years.

But, indeed, "We have the best white people now that we've ever had," and it's a lie to insist otherwise.
 
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Take a look at the real world and you will see that system no longer exists. If you disagree, point to one of the systems
I advise you to do the same.
Mankind has changed over the past 500 years. That’s why people like you are left claiming systemic racism exists, but when challenged to point to it, all you can do is claim those who disagree with you need to learn more about the topic. If there were an ounce of merit to your claims, you would be able to show me (and everybody else disagreeing with you) where we are wrong. Instead you keep insisting we need to learn more, need to read more books, because you cannot refute anything we say. You make empty claims with no way of backing anything up.
I have given plenty of examples you just dismiss them off hand. I say read more because there is more to learn about the subject than what's in news articles.
 
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