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Pathéma: that which befalls one, i.e. a suffering, a passion
Original Word: πάθημα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pathéma
Phonetic Spelling: (path'-ay-mah)
Definition: that which befalls one, a suffering, a passion
Usage: (a) suffering, affliction, (b) passion, emotion, (c) an undergoing, an enduring.
páthēma "the capacity to feel strong emotion, like suffering") – properly, the capacity and privilege of experiencing strong feeling; felt, deep emotion, like agony, passion (ardent desire), suffering, etc.
/páthēma is redemptive, preparing us to know the Lord better now and forever in glory (cf. Ro 8:18; Phil 3:10; 1 Pet 5:1). (páthēma) is not inherently negative; indeed, it is only negative when experienced outside of (apart from) faith. (pasxō).
páthēma ("strong feeling") includes affliction (suffering), which should always (ideally) result in knowing God's glory – like going through difficulties (persecution, etc.) in faith. Note the -ma suffix, emphasizing the end-result (experiencing strong feeling).
I was reading a book about prophetic gift and it said that you can’t find your true Holy calling without going through time of Pathéma.
I was just thinking how many have been going true this kind of ordeals and did it change you immediately?
Did you have many of these kind of experiences or just one.
Hmmm...There is suffering we endure because we are ambassadors of Christ to a Christ-hating world, light in the darkness, enemies of the god of this world, the devil. Suffering the persecution that arises from a holy, God-honoring life is right, and good, and strengthening, but we can also suffer because we have made wicked, selfish, sinful choices. God uses the bitterness and pain of the consequences of our sin to encourage us out of sin and toward Himself, but this sort of pain is not something we should make a necessary part of God's preparation of us for service to Himself. God would rather we pursued holiness and truth, drawing close to Him, and from a place of deep fellowship with Himself, endure suffering that refines, and clarifies, and strengthens us.
I don't know what is meant by "your true Holy calling." We all of us, as children of God, have a common, general calling which, as we pursue it, reveals to us God's particular call to each of us individually. But the revelation of this particular, person-specific divine call is not necessarily connected to suffering for Christ's sake, but to careful, submitted obedience to God's will and way.
Often, suffering for the sake of Christ happens in the midst of serving him, not prior to doing so.
”For when im weak, then im strong”
2 Corinthians 12:10
“Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.”
God’s power is made perfect in weaknesses. But only if you have faith.
Faith is the key.
Is easy to say that you have faith but what matters the most is actions. What does your actions tell about you?
There is a bit of a contradiction in what you've put forward here. We are weak. But in the power of God we can be made strong. Our weakness, though, is profound. In fact, Jesus said, "Without me, you can do nothing." (John 15:5) We cannot come to God, in faith believing in Christ as our Saviour, if God has not first worked to convict us of our sin (John 16:8), deliver to us the message of the Gospel (Romans 10:14-15), give to us repentance so that we might acknowledge the truth (2 Timothy 2:25) and draw us to Christ (John 6:44).
What, then, of your statement that a person is "made perfect in God's strength only if they have faith"? It seems to me that this puts all the onus for being made strong in God on the faith the individual believer can muster up. But if we are weak, as utterly impotent as Paul and Christ have said we all are, how can anything in our walk with God depend upon us? If we are so weak, how do we generate the faith you're saying is vital to being made strong in God?
It sounds to me like a contradiction to say on the one hand, "I am weak," but on the other to say, "If I'm going to be made strong by God, I must overcome my weakness and have sufficient faith to be made strong by God." Doesn't this make the ultimate key to being strong my faith rather than God's power at work in me? It sounds like it to me...
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