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Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

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Yes, yes it does. It existed in the 60s, it still exists today.

The baby-daddy/mother phenomenon is a facet of it, in which black women deliberately have children by a variety of men to secure multiple income streams. Also the high rate of black-on-black crime. Also the "crab bucket" phenomenon. Also the phenomenon of colorism and the hatred of our own aesthetic. Also black men disrespecting our own women, which no other ethnic group does. This is all cultural dysfunction. These are all elements of the slave culture inculcated into us by slaveholders.

The fact that we speak English, the fact that we understand Romeo and Juliet more easily than we would understand a 500-year-old story told in Ghanian by a Ghanian griot...that's culture that was inculcated into us by slaveholders.

Marcus Garvey told us this 100 years ago, Malcolm X told us about it 60 years ago, and it's still true.

If what you are saying is true, you recognize the problems today. However today there is no space culture being pushed upon the black community. They are doing it to themselves. So they have the full power to stop.

The baby/daddy phenomenon
The black on black crime
The crab bucket
The disrespect of women

These are all things that blacks are in full control over. There is no master telling them or forcing them to behave that way. These are all things they can stop doing tomorrow. It's not easy. It takes effort, but it is attainable and it is completly unfair to continue to blame whites for this kind of behavior. Cauae you have choices now and have had them for quite a few decades now.
 
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Whites struggle and are poor. Some blacks are rich. You think whites have everything handed to them and have everything they want?

Yes, yes he does. Especially if you are doing okay. You didn't deserve it and didn't earn it or didn't work for it. Some other white guy came to you and said here have this great job that pays good money. And we weren't even looking for it. It just happened by the magic white fairy godmother.
 
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Yes, yes he does. Especially if you are doing okay. You didn't deserve it and didn't earn it or didn't work for it. Some other white guy came to you and said here have this great job that pays good money. And we weren't even looking for it. It just happened by the magic white fairy godmother.
The white privilege fairy Godmother
 
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Yes, yes it does. It existed in the 60s, it still exists today.

The baby-daddy/mother phenomenon is a facet of it, in which black women deliberately have children by a variety of men to secure multiple income streams.
Slaves didn’t have multiple children for financial gain
Also the high rate of black-on-black crime.
Black on black crime is mostly the result of gang activity something that didn’t exist during slavery.
Also the "crab bucket" phenomenon.
During slavery, the crab bucket phenomenon was an effort to impress the white master, today it’s because of jealousy, so they won’t look bad, to put down those doing better than you; completely different reasons.
Also the phenomenon of colorism
Though not nearly as much as it used to be, there is still some colorism; but I see colorism more prevalent in white folks. I see many white people getting tans, perming their hair so it is not so straight, even women putting on lipstick in a way to make their lips look fuller! Yet you never see white people accusing each other of trying to look black.
and the hatred of our own aesthetic. Also black men disrespecting our own women, which no other ethnic group does.
There are aspects of all ethnicities where women are disrespected. This is not something slaves learned from whites. Even today many Africans have disrespect of their women; especially Muslim africans.
The fact that we speak English, the fact that we understand Romeo and Juliet more easily than we would understand a 500-year-old story told in Ghanian by a Ghanian griot...that's culture that was inculcated into us by slaveholders.
Slaves didn’t know about Romen and Juliet, we learn what we are taught in school. Slaves didn’t go to school.
Marcus Garvey told us this 100 years ago, Malcolm X told us about it 60 years ago, and it's still true.
I can see this as something more prevalent in the days of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X as opposed to today
 
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If what you are saying is true, you recognize the problems today. However today there is no space culture being pushed upon the black community. They are doing it to themselves. So they have the full power to stop.

The baby/daddy phenomenon
The black on black crime
The crab bucket
The disrespect of women

These are all things that blacks are in full control over. There is no master telling them or forcing them to behave that way. These are all things they can stop doing tomorrow. It's not easy. It takes effort, but it is attainable and it is completly unfair to continue to blame whites for this kind of behavior. Cauae you have choices now and have had them for quite a few decades now.
They should stop blaming the system and use the system to get ahead.
 
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Yes, yes it does. It existed in the 60s, it still exists today.

The baby-daddy/mother phenomenon is a facet of it, in which black women deliberately have children by a variety of men to secure multiple income streams. Also the high rate of black-on-black crime. Also the "crab bucket" phenomenon. Also the phenomenon of colorism and the hatred of our own aesthetic. Also black men disrespecting our own women, which no other ethnic group does. This is all cultural dysfunction. These are all elements of the slave culture inculcated into us by slaveholders.

The fact that we speak English, the fact that we understand Romeo and Juliet more easily than we would understand a 500-year-old story told in Ghanian by a Ghanian griot...that's culture that was inculcated into us by slaveholders.

Marcus Garvey told us this 100 years ago, Malcolm X told us about it 60 years ago, and it's still true.
True or false, what are you going to do about it?
 
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If what you are saying is true, you recognize the problems today. However today there is no space culture being pushed upon the black community. They are doing it to themselves. So they have the full power to stop.

The baby/daddy phenomenon
The black on black crime
The crab bucket
The disrespect of women

These are all things that blacks are in full control over. There is no master telling them or forcing them to behave that way. These are all things they can stop doing tomorrow. It's not easy. It takes effort, but it is attainable and it is completly unfair to continue to blame whites for this kind of behavior. Cauae you have choices now and have had them for quite a few decades now.

You haven't read my post #530, have you?

Oh, wait. You did read it. You even liked it. So why are you saying this to me now?
 
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Slaves didn’t have multiple children for financial gain

Black on black crime is mostly the result of gang activity something that didn’t exist during slavery.

During slavery, the crab bucket phenomenon was an effort to impress the white master, today it’s because of jealousy, so they won’t look bad, to put down those doing better than you; completely different reasons.

Though not nearly as much as it used to be, there is still some colorism; but I see colorism more prevalent in white folks. I see many white people getting tans, perming their hair so it is not so straight, even women putting on lipstick in a way to make their lips look fuller! Yet you never see white people accusing each other of trying to look black.

There are aspects of all ethnicities where women are disrespected. This is not something slaves learned from whites. Even today many Africans have disrespect of their women; especially Muslim africans.

Slaves didn’t know about Romen and Juliet, we learn what we are taught in school. Slaves didn’t go to school.

I can see this as something more prevalent in the days of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X as opposed to today
Slaves also didn't have opportunity. I bet if you took a slave from back then and put him in modern America he would prosper. Blacks have been fighting for civil rights long enough. It's time to start using those rights and the prosperity they can have.
 
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Slaves didn’t have multiple children for financial gain

Black on black crime is mostly the result of gang activity something that didn’t exist during slavery.

During slavery, the crab bucket phenomenon was an effort to impress the white master, today it’s because of jealousy, so they won’t look bad, to put down those doing better than you; completely different reasons.

Though not nearly as much as it used to be, there is still some colorism; but I see colorism more prevalent in white folks. I see many white people getting tans, perming their hair so it is not so straight, even women putting on lipstick in a way to make their lips look fuller! Yet you never see white people accusing each other of trying to look black.

There are aspects of all ethnicities where women are disrespected. This is not something slaves learned from whites. Even today many Africans have disrespect of their women; especially Muslim africans.

Slaves didn’t know about Romen and Juliet, we learn what we are taught in school. Slaves didn’t go to school.

I can see this as something more prevalent in the days of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X as opposed to today

If you see someone on campus carrying an umbrella on a sunny day, its an
Asian girl trying to avoid a suntan.
Models use skin whitener.
I dont do that but, I do avoid the sun.
 
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If you see someone on campus carrying an umbrella on a sunny day, its an
Asian girl trying to avoid a suntan.
Models use skin whitener.
I dont do that but, I do avoid the sun.
I see more white women using foundation makeup to make their face look darker, then they sit out in the Sun to make their bodies look darker. I will bet you there are far more white women trying to look darker than there are black women trying to look lighter. I can't speak for Japanese or Chinese women though.
 
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Slaves didn’t have multiple children for financial gain

For the financial gain of the slaveowners. It was inculcated as a way to make money, psychologically separated from a real desire to be mother and father to a child.

Black on black crime is mostly the result of gang activity something that didn’t exist during slavery.

The psychology of less value being placed on black property and black life was inculcated by slave owners.

During slavery, the crab bucket phenomenon was an effort to impress the white master, today it’s because of jealousy, so they won’t look bad, to put down those doing better than you; completely different reasons.

The original purpose was not so much to impress the slave owner as to avoid the pain of one slave standing out above the rest (rather the way when unions work poorly, they don't like one worker to produce more than the rest). But that psychology still remains.

Though not nearly as much as it used to be, there is still some colorism; but I see colorism more prevalent in white folks.

You're not paying attention. Ask any dark-skinned black woman if there has been any decrease in colorism. The spike of biracial children since the 80s has actually made it worse, particularly for dark-skinned black women, because biracials qualify as black for the "diversity requirement." Hollywood casting calls--particularly by black producers--will often even specify "light skin." The paper bag test is still very much real. There was much less colorism in the late 60s and 70s.

The least colorist group around these days are white men, particularly with respect to black women. A white man who is concerned with skin tone will simply stick to white women. White men who get over the race issue in the first place don't appear to consider dark skin a problem at all, and are more likely to choose a dark-skinned black woman than a light-skinned one.

I see many white people getting tans, perming their hair so it is not so straight, even women putting on lipstick in a way to make their lips look fuller! Yet you never see white people accusing each other of trying to look black.

If you think that's colorism, you don't know what the subject is about.

There are aspects of all ethnicities where women are disrespected. This is not something slaves learned from whites. Even today many Africans have disrespect of their women; especially Muslim africans.

Let me explain this more clearly. Yes, in many cultures there is a significant amount of misogyny, but yet in each of those cultures, the concept of an "ideal woman" is still a woman of their own culture and ethnic group. An Arab may be significantly misogynistic, but his ideal woman is still his own mother's phenotype. You won't hear an Arab say, "I can't stand Arab women." He might like European women, but his concept of beauty still includes his own mother's phenotype.

A couple of years ago, while I was still a youth leader in my church, I was sitting in the pew waiting for the youth service to start when I years one young man behind me say to a friend, "...I just don't like dark-skinned girls."

I turned to him--because he was coffee-colored himself, and I knew his mother was as well--and had a quick heart-to-heart talk with him.

But that's not unusual, that's all too common.

Slaves didn’t know about Romen and Juliet, we learn what we are taught in school. Slaves didn’t go to school.

The Anglo culture of Shakespeare was inculcated into slaves, which is why a black kid today can relate more easily to a 500-year-old English play than a 500-year-old Ghanian story.

I can see this as something more prevalent in the days of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X as opposed to today

Yet all those dysfunctional cultural factors remain...if anything, worse now than 50 years ago.
 
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I guess identifying a couple of probs is a start but there's no
plan there, no " do about it".

"Step away from it."

It's a choice we must each make individually, just as any immigrant comes to the US and makes an individual choice to step away from his home country culture.

What kind of "plan" would you expect? The Nation of Islam has a plan to reshape African-American culture to a functional culture. Is that what you have in mind?
 
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I see more white women using foundation makeup to make their face look darker, then they sit out in the Sun to make their bodies look darker. I will bet you there are far more white women trying to look darker than there are black women trying to look lighter. I can't speak for Japanese or Chinese women though.

There are a heck of a lot of black women trying to have long, straight hair, though.

I'm amazed and dismayed that natural hair is still controversial among black women, even 50 years after the natural hair revolution began.

And, no, it's not just because white supervisors won't allow it.

And what's with these Muppet eyelashes?
 
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For the financial gain of the slaveowners. It was inculcated as a way to make money, psychologically separated from a real desire to be mother and father to a child.



The psychology of less value being placed on black property and black life was inculcated by slave owners.



The original purpose was not so much to impress the slave owner as to avoid the pain of one slave standing out above the rest (rather the way when unions work poorly, they don't like one worker to produce more than the rest). But that psychology still remains.



You're not paying attention. Ask any dark-skinned black woman if there has been any decrease in colorism. The spike of biracial children since the 80s has actually made it worse, particularly for dark-skinned black women, because they qualify as black. Hollywood casting calls--particularly by black producers--will even specify "light skin." There was much less colorism in the late 60s and 70s.

The least colorist group around these days are white men, particularly with respect to black women. A white man who is concerned with skin tone will simply stick to white women. White men who get over the race issue in the first place don't appear to consider skin tone at all, and are more likely to choose a dark-skinned black woman than a light-skinned one.



If you think that's colorism, you don't know what the subject is about.

There are aspects of all ethnicities where women are disrespected. This is not something slaves learned from whites. Even today many Africans have disrespect of their women; especially Muslim africans.



The Anglo culture of Shakespeare was inculcated into slaves, which is why a black kid today can relate more easily to a 500-year-old English play than a 500-year-old Ghanian story.



Yet all those dysfunctional cultural factors remain...if anything, worse now than 50 years ago.
So because a man doesn't choose a biracial relationship he's racist?
 
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I don't even know what the heck you mean by that or what your intention was in making that remark.
You said a guy who gets over the race issue will choose a dark woman. It sounds like you are implying he's racist if he doesn't.
 
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