Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[IWalkAlone]

If so, how does it exist?

 

[Ken-1122]

If so, how does it exist?

In order for there to be Institutional/Systemic racism, the system itself, or that specific jurisdiction must be created in such a manner that the system will remain racist no matter the person(s) holding positions within it.
In short -- If you are given free reign to remove all officers within that jurisdiction, and replace them with a new group of people, hand chosen by you; would said racism remain?
Let’s take a Police Department as an example. If removing / replacing the variables from the system, (in this case the Police Officers) would cleanse the system of racism, then systemic racism does not exist. However, if you remove / replace all variables within the system with new variables known to be non-corrupt from the systems intention (in this case if you replace all corrupt cops with people known to not be racist), yet the system remains corrupt (racist here), then systemic racism exists.
An example of Systemic racism would be the Jim Crow laws of yesteryear. During that time, no matter how non corrupt the Bus Driver was, he would still require black people to sit in the back of the bus because the laws of the land required it.
The only possible examples of systemic racism I could imagine being around today would be private clubs that may have unwritten laws discriminating illegally.

 

[IWalkAlone]

In order for there to be Institutional/Systemic racism, the system itself, or that specific jurisdiction must be created in such a manner that the system will remain racist no matter the person(s) holding positions within it.
In short -- If you are given free reign to remove all officers within that jurisdiction, and replace them with a new group of people, hand chosen by you; would said racism remain?
Let’s take a Police Department as an example. If removing / replacing the variables from the system, (in this case the Police Officers) would cleanse the system of racism, then systemic racism does not exist. However, if you remove / replace all variables within the system with new variables known to be non-corrupt from the systems intention (in this case if you replace all corrupt cops with people known to not be racist), yet the system remains corrupt (racist here), then systemic racism exists.
An example of Systemic racism would be the Jim Crow laws of yesteryear. During that time, no matter how non corrupt the Bus Driver was, he would still require black people to sit in the back of the bus because the laws of the land required it.
The only possible examples of systemic racism I could imagine being around today would be private clubs that may have unwritten laws discriminating illegally.

thank you. Jim crow is history and I'm looking for modern day examples. Examples of oppression today.

 

[Der Alte]

thank you. Jim crow is history and I'm looking for modern day examples. Examples of oppression today.

I think you chances of finding that are about as good as winning the lottery without buying a ticket.
I think what is being called systemic racism today is "You have it I want it but you won't give it to me so that makes you a systemic racist."

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I think you chances of finding that are about as good as winning the lottery without buying a ticket.
I think what is being called systemic racism today is "You have it I want it but you won't give it to me so that makes you a systemic racist."

 

[Vylo]

If so, how does it exist?

This guy does a much better summing up some of it, relevant to our current holiday:

 

[IWalkAlone]

This guy does a much better summing up some of it, relevant to our current holiday:

Ok, ill watch it as long as it gives examples of systemic racism happening today. Does it?

 

[Vylo]

Ok, ill watch it as long as it gives examples of systemic racism happening today. Does it?

Yes, in particular towards native Americans.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Yes, in particular towards native Americans.

Are you, or the video, saying that thanksgiving is systemic racism?

 

[IWalkAlone]

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[Vylo]

Are you, or the video, saying that thanksgiving is systemic racism?

No, it pertains to our treatment of native Americans. The original Thanksgiving itself does not have its roots in racism. It was an alliance between settlers and natives that was, at the time barely a blip in history. Those settlers in particular, did not harm the settlers. The fabled or as he puts it "fake thanksgiving does push into that territory, with stereotypes, historical rewriting, etc. The general idea of thanksgiving and most traditions (giving thanks, families getting together, food, parades etc.) are not systemic racism at all.

 

[Vylo]

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Not sure why, works fine for me, you can just google "Some more news"

 

[IWalkAlone]

No, it pertains to our treatment of native Americans. The original Thanksgiving itself does not have its roots in racism. It was an alliance between settlers and natives that was, at the time barely a blip in history. Those settlers in particular, did not harm the settlers. The fabled or as he puts it "fake thanksgiving does push into that territory, with stereotypes, historical rewriting, etc. The general idea of thanksgiving and most traditions (giving thanks, families getting together, food, parades etc.) are not systemic racism at all.

Thanksgiving doesn't oppress anyone. How can it be racism? What does Thanksgiving do that oppresses native Americans? Its just a meal.

 

[Vylo]

Thanksgiving doesn't oppress anyone. How can it be racism? What does Thanksgiving do that oppresses native Americans? Its just a meal.

The meal itself does nothing, but there is a fake narrative around thanksgiving that does do harm and minimalize what natives have gone through.

 

[IWalkAlone]

So because I eat a meal on a traditional holiday, I'm oppressing native americans?

 

[Estrid]

Affirmative action and set - asides, racial quotas are systemic racism.

Do I get a dollar?

 

[Vylo]

So because I eat a meal on a traditional holiday, I'm oppressing native americans?

I literally said no, twice already.

 

[IWalkAlone]

The meal itself does nothing, but there is a fake narrative around thanksgiving that does do harm and minimalize what natives have gone through.

I See nothing minimizing anything. So you don't think we should eat a Thanksgiving meal?

 

[Vylo]

Affirmative action and set - asides, racial quotas are systemic racism.

Do I get a dollar?

You would actually. Any kind of racial quota system is definitely systemic racism, that harms both the majority and the minority. It is a no win situation and should never be utilized.

 

[Vylo]

I See nothing minimizing anything. So you don't think we should eat a Thanksgiving meal?

Ok, 3 times now, try watching the video.