Alex Jones found guilty in all 4 defamation cases (Sandy Hook)

[cow451]

We are not allowed to offend anyone with opinions anymore. You will incur financial repercussions and get banned.

Have to go back to the age old saying: "If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all"

The bible says that the kisses of the enemy are deceitful. But in these days....we are only allowed to kiss......so it will be hard to tell friend from foe.

I don’t know where the Bible endorsed slander and blatant malicious lying. Please tell me where that Bible is.

 

[cow451]

But who judges material harm caused by speech? Is it not true that there will be someone who takes offence to anything said or any position taken on any topic? When can a line be drawn? The best and only course or action to take is to remain silent.....which im all for.

Mr. Jones is not interested in silence. And civil courts decide the harm, if any.

 

[cow451]

...I will no longer detract from the OP.

Thank you.

 

[public hermit]

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones found liable for damages in lawsuits brought by parents of Sandy Hook shooting victims

I'll try to find a longer/better article.

Ah, here we go: Alex Jones Liable for Defamation in Sandy Hook 'Hoax' Case

Judge Barbara Bellis took the rare step of defaulting Jones in the defamation lawsuits for his and his companies' “failure to produce critical material information that the plaintiffs needed to prove their claims.” The default means the judge found in favor of the parents and will hold a hearing on how much damages he should pay.

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If I understand this, which I think is a good outcome, it's still not great. If you (Alex Jones) can't support your false claims just don't show up, don't cooperate. That way you can always turn around and say they didn't prove you wrong. Knowing Alex Jones, that is just what he'll do. Am I missing something, like he can never make reference to this case or something like that? I don't know how these kinds of cases work, but it would have been much better for his lies to be exposed in court and subjected to proper scrutiny.

 

[Tinker Grey]

If I understand this, which I think is a good outcome, it's still not great. If you (Alex Jones) can't support your false claims just don't show up, don't cooperate. That way you can always turn around and say they didn't prove you wrong. Knowing Alex Jones, that is just what he'll do. Am I missing something, like he can never make reference to this case or something like that? I don't know how these kinds of cases work, but it would have been much better for his lies to be exposed in court and subjected to proper scrutiny.

I think you are missing something (or I misunderstood your post). The judge instantiated a "default judgment" against Jones because he dawdled and delayed providing the required documents. That is, he was found guilty because, as I understand it, he failed to defend himself. (It may be more complex than that.)

So all that remains is the penalty phase...and, of course, appeals.

 

[public hermit]

I think you are missing something (or I misunderstood your post). The judge instantiated a "default judgment" against Jones because he dawdled and delayed providing the required documents. That is, he was found guilty because, as I understand it, he failed to defend himself. (It may be more complex than that.)

So all that remains is the penalty phase...and, of course, appeals.

So he is guilty by default because he didn't provide required documentation. I think I'm tracking that. And, the fact that he has been found guilty is great.

Maybe what I have in mind is off topic, but I can just see him turning this around and saying that what he was claiming about Sandy Hook was not proven wrong, which his followers would surely eat up, since no evidence was presented in court. At any tate, it's just my speculation on his next wormy move.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Alex Jones is an...well, I can't say it here lol.

But none the less, I don't know how crazy I am about the concept that expressing an opinion (no matter how crazy) should leave one on the hook for so much money that it could bankrupt them.

I kind of miss the old days where when someone was crazy like Alex, we all just rightfully called them crazy, then proceeded to ignore them.

As much as I dislike Alex (and all of his stupid fluoride gay frogs nonsense), I have more dislike for the concept that I could some day be bankrupted for expressing an opinion that hurt someone's feelings. (especially when it's one side that gets to declare themselves the arbiter of which feelings are worth of being protected...and that side seems to want to enforce a more stringent speech-code by the day.)

Or to put it more plainly, as much as I dislike Alex Jones, he scares me less than woke millennials who think I should be "punished" for expressing a viewpoint that's unpopular among their social circle.

 

[Gene2memE]

We are not allowed to offend anyone with opinions anymore.

Sure you are. I've offended plenty of people here, for instance.

However, there is a very specific legal definition of defamation ("communication ... that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession") that applies in legal cases.

Guess what Mr Jones did?

You will incur financial repercussions and get banned.

You could. Depends on who you offend and what the offensive speech is.

Saturday Night Live offended many people, but I don't really see them incurring financial repercussions and get banned. Kathy Griffin also offended many people, and did end up with such penalties.

Have to go back to the age old saying: "If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all"

A very dumb way to run a society.

Ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. Bad ideas should be criticised. Dangerous ideas exist to be (intellectually) destroyed.

The ability to give, and take, offense, is ESSENTIAL for any society.

 

[loveofourlord]

We are not allowed to offend anyone with opinions anymore. You will incur financial repercussions and get banned.

Have to go back to the age old saying: "If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all"

The bible says that the kisses of the enemy are deceitful. But in these days....we are only allowed to kiss......so it will be hard to tell friend from foe.

by OFFEND You mean harass, create a hateful environment spreading lies that fed into harassing grieving parents and calling them and their dead children fake, yeah that's never been allowed, nor should it be.

 

[loveofourlord]

So he is guilty by default because he didn't provide required documentation. I think I'm tracking that. And, the fact that he has been found guilty is great.

Maybe what I have in mind is off topic, but I can just see him turning this around and saying that what he was claiming about Sandy Hook was not proven wrong, which his followers would surely eat up, since no evidence was presented in court. At any tate, it's just my speculation on his next wormy move.

he's already lying about it saying that it was only a couple times *it was hundreds of times* and that they gave the information but it wasn't what they wanted.

What happened he he defaulted after like 4 years of not showing up, when he did they didn't give information requested, they made up excuse and such. Eventually it was just, "You've had your chance."

Interesting enough there was child porn in the documents he DID give, though no evidence it was intentional.

 

[cow451]

If I understand this, which I think is a good outcome, it's still not great. If you (Alex Jones) can't support your false claims just don't show up, don't cooperate. That way you can always turn around and say they didn't prove you wrong. Knowing Alex Jones, that is just what he'll do. Am I missing something, like he can never make reference to this case or something like that? I don't know how these kinds of cases work, but it would have been much better for his lies to be exposed in court and subjected to proper scrutiny.

Jones is a bully and coward. There is nothing humiliating enough to serve justice.

 

[Bobber]

But who judges material harm caused by speech? Is it not true that there will be someone who takes offence to anything said or any position taken on any topic? When can a line be drawn? The best and only course or action to take is to remain silent.....which im all for.

You're probably right but just know this though.....freedom is gone, destroyed and a thing of the past.

 

[RaymondG]

You're probably right but just know this though.....freedom is gone, destroyed and a thing of the past.

The sad thing is, we Christians support this because it is something we dont think should be said anyway.....Yet we will call it "righteous persecution" when we get sued for saying "Jesus," because someone else was offended by it. We are short sighted....and we believe that we can plant pumpkin seeds, and reap strawberries.

Everyone assume that I agree with what this man said....but I am only sowing my own seeds with care.

 

[Whyayeman]

Or to put it more plainly, as much as I dislike Alex Jones, he scares me less than woke millennials who think I should be "punished" for expressing a viewpoint that's unpopular among their social circle.

Alex Jones did not express an unpopular viewpoint. He made up a malicious story about the mass shooting at Sandy Hook. He accused the bereaved families of lying about their dead children. He harmed them. And the judge ruled against him.

I don't mind people expressing a view. That is freedom of speech. But people damaged by lies are entitled to the protection of the law.

 

[TLK Valentine]

But who judges material harm caused by speech?

The civil court system.

 

[RaymondG]

The civil court system.

The court steps in after someone is already offended, and by then, it is too late.

I was asking who decides what speech will cause material harm to another, and therefore, cannot be said?

There were terrible accusations mounted against the church and many who exclaimed that they were false...some still do even with proof. Should they be prosecuted as well....or is it ok for them to have and state their opinion?

 

[Tinker Grey]

The court steps in after someone is already offended, and by then, it is too late.

I was asking who decides what speech will cause material harm to another, and therefore, cannot be said?

There were terrible accusations mounted against the church and many who exclaimed that they were false...some still do even with proof. Should they be prosecuted as well....or is it ok for them to have and state their opinion?

This isn't about offense. It's about defamation and lying. And the court decides whether this happened.

 

[loveofourlord]

The court steps in after someone is already offended, and by then, it is too late.

I was asking who decides what speech will cause material harm to another, and therefore, cannot be said?

There were terrible accusations mounted against the church and many who exclaimed that they were false...some still do even with proof. Should they be prosecuted as well....or is it ok for them to have and state their opinion?

You might not want to use church, and and alex jones in the same sentence. This isn't some small thing, peoples lives were threatened, they were harassed, and mentally scarred for years by what alex jones did, this is comet ping-pong all over again but by far far worse. This whole topic is complaining about a guy who RUINED LIVES with lies to make profit. Everyone defending Alex Jones should take a hard look at either themselves, or the case.

 

[cow451]

You're probably right but just know this though.....freedom is gone, destroyed and a thing of the past.

You are exercising your freedom by posting this, you know.

 

[Petros2015]

You're probably right but just know this though.....freedom is gone, destroyed and a thing of the past.

No, just the freedom to use freedom improperly.
Take heart, you are one step closer to Heaven.