The KJVO myth...

[Der Alte]

If any man build upon the foundation wood, hay, stubble, every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day shall declare it (this Day arrived, the seventh and last Day, seventh and last millennium), because it shall be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 1 Corinthians 3:v.11-12KJV - Biblegateway - The Word is GOD, understand?
There is not only smoke, but also a horrible smell.
THE WORD IS GOD

It is not clear what you intended by this post. But the "Hell no!" folks quote it out-of-context claiming it means all mankind will be saved, no matter what. But nothing could be further from the truth.

1 Corinthians 3:9-17
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.​

These verses clearly show that Paul is not talking to/about all mankind but only to “laborers together with God,””God's husbandry,””God's building” “who build on the foundation of Christ” vss, 9-12.
Paul mentions this foundation three times. Vs. 11 excludes any work not on the foundation of Christ.
The phrases “every man,””no man,””any man,” throughout this passage refer to the group in vss. 9-10, NOT all mankind.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon [the foundation of Christ vs. 12], he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.​

The work mentioned in these these vss. is NOT the ordinary mundane works of all mankind but the work of building on the foundation of Christ. Man is NOT saved by works.
And vs. 15 does not say anyone is saved by fire. It says, “Yet so as by fire.”

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.​

Vs. 17 clearly refutes UR in this passage. All mankind is not saved, those who defile the temple will be destroyed, not saved.
This passage is NOT speaking about all mankind no matter how UR-ites try to twist it.
Nowhere is it written that anyone is saved by fire or that the loss of ordinary, mundane works of unsaved mankind will save anyone.

 

[robycop3]

Anybody can and easily. By comparing them to each other, for example.

And most of the time we do not even need to compare them, just the reading is enough - missing words, repeated sentences, missing sentences, commentaries that were next to the text are mistakenly put into the text by the next copyist etc.

"Differences" don't mean corruptions. The 4 "Gospels" in Scripture, which are narrations of the same events are all different; is any corrupt? Look at the differences in the "Lord's prayer" between Matthew & Luke.

 

[trophy33]

"Differences" don't mean corruptions. The 4 "Gospels" in Scripture, which are narrations of the same events are all different; is any corrupt? Look at the differences in the "Lord's prayer" between Matthew & Luke.

You said all manuscripts are inerrant. If there are errors, how can they be inerrant?

 

[trophy33]

Which Christ are you talking about?

Jesus.

 

[robycop3]

You said all manuscripts are inerrant. If there are errors, how can they be inerrant?

Differences aren't errors. Again, are any of the 4 "Gospels" corrupt or have errors?

 

[trophy33]

Differences aren't errors. Again, are any of the 4 "Gospels" corrupt or have errors?

You are mixing oranges and apples.

We are talking about external errors in manuscripts, not about internal errors in gospels.

 

[robycop3]

You are mixing oranges and apples.

We are talking about external errors in manuscripts, not about internal errors in gospels.

Errors are errors.

Many of the mss. were written by people who weren't highly-educated; thus they might have what appears to be goofs. However, GOD chose to preserve them for us.

 

[Oseas]

Jesus.

Thanks by your reply. OK.
I asked which Christ you was referring because you had said :

This thread is not about the deity of Christ. What is the logical connection between my note and your reaction?

Right, this tread is not about Christ JESUS, it was created to confound the readers by the ministry and minister(s) collector of myths, whose evil intent is to denigrate the Word of God. Be careful

1 Peter 5:v.8-11
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[trophy33]

Thanks by your reply. OK.
I asked which Christ you was referring because you had said :

Right, this tread is not about Christ JESUS, it was created to confound the readers by the ministry and minister(s) collector of myths, whose evil intent is to denigrate the Word of God.

This is a very manipulative post.

I only said that this thread is not about the deity of Christ so that you do not have to write off-topic verses and claims.

 

[trophy33]

GOD chose to preserve them for us.

With errors in them.

 

[Oseas]

This is a very manipulative post.

I only said that this thread is not about the deity of Christ so that you do not have to write off-topic verses and claims.

I no not know word more porwerful than the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and INTENTS of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we MUST RENDER AN ACCOUNT. hEBREWS 4:V. 12 -

THE WORD IS GOD

 

[trophy33]

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[Bible Highlighter]

What doesn't sit well with me is that you brought up the city of Alexandria but then swerve to "we were not there" and start trying to redirect the conversation to what your own personal perception of me is.

Athanasius was still Bishop of Alexandria, whether we were there or not.

Of course it does not sit well with you. You believe the way you do for your own reasons. Again, it’s not just any one evidence like one verse alone that is the problem. It’s tons of verses that are bad in Modern Translations (Which is not the case with the KJB).

 

[robycop3]

With errors in them.

Howdya KNOW there are errors in them?

 

[Strong in Him]

Of course it does not sit well with you. You believe the way you do for your own reasons. Again, it’s not just any one evidence like one verse alone that is the problem. It’s tons of verses that are bad in Modern Translations (Which is not the case with the KJB).

Firstly, modern translations proclaim and teach the same Gospel as the KJV. Sorry if you don't like that, or don't want to believe that GNB/NIV readers are saved and born again; but it's true. We are going to heaven, just as you are. You quote verses about the Gospel, salvation, Jesus, the cross etc - guess what; they are in our Bibles too.
Secondly, any "bad" verses in the KJV will never be accepted by you because your starting point is that it's perfect. Even though there are a few versions of the KJV - apparently God didn't get his perfect word perfect first time.
Thirdly you cannot see that when you call other translations of the Bible "corrupt", (which you have done in the past) yet admit to using them; you are weakening your own argument. IF the KJV is perfect, it doesn't need any help from "corruption".

 

[Bob_1000]

If you are not against dictionaries, then how is that different than say… using a Modern Translation to gain a defined meaning and understanding that says the same thing in the KJB (But more clearer)?

I responded here so that we wouldn't be derailing this thread.

 

[Bob_1000]

The pure, inerrant word of God is found in the ancient Scriptural manuscripts.

Can you name a perfect, inerrant Bible translation?

That pure inerrant word in the ancient manuscripts doesn't exist anymore. Yes I can name a perfect inerrant bible, it's the KJV.

 

[Oseas]

It is not clear what you intended by this post. But the "Hell no!" folks quote it out-of-context claiming it means all mankind will be saved, no matter what. But nothing could be further from the truth.

1 Corinthians 3:9-17
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.​

These verses clearly show that Paul is not talking to/about all mankind but only to “laborers together with God,””God's husbandry,””God's building” “who build on the foundation of Christ” vss, 9-12.
Paul mentions this foundation three times. Vs. 11 excludes any work not on the foundation of Christ.
The phrases “every man,””no man,””any man,” throughout this passage refer to the group in vss. 9-10, NOT all mankind.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon [the foundation of Christ vs. 12], he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.​

The work mentioned in these these vss. is NOT the ordinary mundane works of all mankind but the work of building on the foundation of Christ. Man is NOT saved by works.
And vs. 15 does not say anyone is saved by fire. It says, “Yet so as by fire.”

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.​

Vs. 17 clearly refutes UR in this passage. All mankind is not saved, those who defile the temple will be destroyed, not saved.
This passage is NOT speaking about all mankind no matter how UR-ites try to twist it.
Nowhere is it written that anyone is saved by fire or that the loss of ordinary, mundane works of unsaved mankind will save anyone.

Thanks by your message. I understand what the Holy Spirit through 1 Cor. 3:v.9-17 revealed to Paul Apostle. By the way, Paul wrote to the Romans aboaut the Day when God will Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to his gospel. Well, this Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of Vengeance, the millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, Who will render to every man according to his deeds: ROMANS 2:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Therefore, in this CURRENT DAY, the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, indignation and wrath, TRIBULATION AND ANGUISH, upon every MAN that does evil; - There will not be fogiveness anymore. By the way, the plagues have started already and there will be severe chastisements against all nations, inclusive against the idolater Israel whose holy city is today spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same Day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained FIRE and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in this Day when the Son of man is revealed-Luke 17:v.28-30.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No; they're not the individual ancient mss.

Can you provide a link to these documents and do they exist today?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

TR is a critical edition based on several late byzantian manuscripts, its not a manuscript.
And there is no edition or manuscript called "The Critical Text".

Yes, I have known that for a long time now. I was not born again yesterday. I don’t always speak or respond with correct grammar in mind. My point is if he held to the Critical Text or the Textus Receptus seeing these are the two major line of manuscripts generally used by Bibles today.