God wanted man to fall

[dóxatotheó]

As we know God was very must aware of Adam and Eves existence before they existence. He also knew that they would disobey him, How do we know that? The answer is, is God is infinite in knowledge so we understand that he allowed Adam and Eve to sin for a bigger picture. Whats the bigger picture Theosis!!!!! Adam and Eve were corruptible but perfect(sinless) before they fall from Gods Grace, so The Son came as a servant to make us as him not corruptible, all this to make us perfect as him. Is why God didnt want to change the outcome of Adam and Eve fall.

 

[dóxatotheó]

As we know God was very must aware of Adam and Eves existence before they existence. He also knew that they would disobey him, How do we know that? The answer is, is God is infinite in knowledge so we understand that he wanted Adam and Eve to sin for a bigger picture. Whats the bigger picture Theosis!!!!! Adam and Eve were corruptible but perfect before they fall from Gods Grace, so The Son came as a servant to make us as him not corruptible, all this to defeat Satan. Is why God wanted Adam and Eve to fall.

@ArmyMatt thoughts?

 

[trophy33]

I think its a standard Christian view that the fall of man (and, generally, the existence of any evil in the creation) is so called permissive will.

Not something that God wanted per se.

 

[dóxatotheó]

I think its a standard Christian view that the fall of man (and, generally, the existence of any evil in the creation) is so called permissive will.

Not something that God wanted per se.

that view makes God impotent

 

[trophy33]

that view makes God impotent

No, it makes Him omnipotent.

 

[chevyontheriver]

that view makes God impotent

The other view makes God a facilitator of sin.

 

[dóxatotheó]

No, it makes Him omnipotent.

To state God could have intervened but allowed them to fall just lack logical sense to me because if one of Gods energies are Love than he should want them to live and not die. On the contrary, in my view God wanted them to fall because he loved them and wanted us to defeat all forms of death and be as perfect as him.

 

[trophy33]

On the contrary, in my view God wanted them to fall because he loved them and wanted us to defeat all forms of death...

Which is what permissive will is about.

God permitted some evil not because He wants evil, but because He wants the higher good, for example victory, bravery...

 

[dóxatotheó]

The other view makes God a facilitator of sin.

God is not causing the sin he wanted his creation as incorruptible as him because he love his creation and had plans for them before eternity.

 

[dóxatotheó]

Which is what permissive will is about.

God permitted some evil not because He wants evil, but because He wants the higher good, for example victory, bravery...

Than what we disagree on if its the theology that God wanted his creation above sin in all ways is why he planned the fall than I dont see what we disagree on.

 

[trophy33]

Than what we disagree on if its the theology that God wanted his creation above sin in all ways is why he planned the fall than I dont see what we disagree on.

I do not know what you disagree about.

I just made it clear that in theology, the existence of evil in the creation is attributed to God's permissive will, not to His decretive or preceptive will. So that its not confused and some uneducated reader cannot be mistaken that God is evil or wants evil.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This topic calls for much speculation.

 

[ArmyMatt]

@ArmyMatt thoughts?

I don’t post outside of TAW, sorry

 

[chevyontheriver]

God is not causing the sin he wanted his creation as incorruptible as him because he love his creation and had plans for them before eternity.

You said "God is infinite in knowledge so we understand that he wanted Adam and Eve to sin."
Wanted being the operative word.

 

[dóxatotheó]

You said "God is infinite in knowledge so we understand that he wanted Adam and Eve to sin."
Wanted being the operative word.

wanted meaning he didnt want to change the outcome.

 

[SuperCow]

As we know God was very must aware of Adam and Eves existence before they existence. He also knew that they would disobey him, How do we know that? The answer is, is God is infinite in knowledge so we understand that he wanted Adam and Eve to sin for a bigger picture. Whats the bigger picture Theosis!!!!! Adam and Eve were corruptible but perfect before they fall from Gods Grace, so The Son came as a servant to make us as him not corruptible, all this to defeat Satan. Is why God wanted Adam and Eve to fall.

Did God create Satan? If God did not create Satan, then was he preexistent with God eternally? If God did create Satan, did he know he would rebel? If God created Adam and Eve to sin in order to defeat Satan, and God created Satan, but knew he would rebel, then not creating Satan in the first place would have pre-fixed both problems? So why did God create Satan?

 

[dóxatotheó]

Did God create Satan? If God did not create Satan, then was he preexistent with God eternally? If God did create Satan, did he know he would rebel? If God created Adam and Eve to sin in order to defeat Satan, and God created Satan, but knew he would rebel, then not creating Satan in the first place would have pre-fixed both problems? So why did God create Satan?

I can say (Just a theory we arent God so we wouldnt know why). That he created satan for a purpose with creation all leading to Jesus coming to Earth for creation because Humans are Gods most favorite creation. Also, Lucifer who was an angel for God was mighty and greater than the other arch-angels had pride which God knew he would.

 

[SuperCow]

There is no scripture in the Bible that says or alludes to the idea that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin.

There is no scripture in the Bible that says that God wanted man to serve false Gods.

Genesis 6:6 - “The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” (NIV)

1 Samuel 15:35 - “And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel.” (NIV)

 

[dóxatotheó]

There is no scripture in the Bible that says or alludes to the idea that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin.

Its a Theological position my friend.

There is no scripture in the Bible that says that God wanted man to serve false Gods.

never said that.

Genesis 6:6 - “The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” (NIV)

That wasn't about Adam and Eve, he didn't regretted they existence until the times of Noah lemme ask you why didn't God regretted Adam and Eves existence?

 

[eleos1954]

As we know God was very must aware of Adam and Eves existence before they existence. He also knew that they would disobey him, How do we know that? The answer is, is God is infinite in knowledge so we understand that he wanted Adam and Eve to sin for a bigger picture. Whats the bigger picture Theosis!!!!! Adam and Eve were corruptible but perfect before they fall from Gods Grace, so The Son came as a servant to make us as him not corruptible, all this to defeat Satan. Is why God wanted Adam and Eve to fall.

I would disagree ...

God created all His intelligent beings with freewill (including lucifer and the 1/3) .... without freewill love is not possible. God knew the risk involved .... but His creatures make their own choices. No God didn't want any of them to fall .... but knew they would CHOOSE to. All have/had choices .... and each are responsible for their choices. Unless one has choice .... there is not love nor freedom (the ability to act or change without constraint)

God can/could zap satan at anytime .... and it's not just about us .... others in the universe besides us.

1st Peter 1:12

New International Version
It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.