The KJVO myth...

[Bob_1000]

So you decided on your own that the KJV is the correct one even though the TR was based on a handful of manuscripts that Erasmus was able to put together. I've decided that the LOLCat Bible is the correct translation since I have nothing else to compare it too. John 3:16-17 "So liek teh Ceiling Kitteh lieks teh ppl lots and he sez 'Oh hai I givez u me only kitteh and ifs u beleeves him u wont evr diez no moar, kthxbai!'Cuz teh Ceiling Kitteh not snd hiz son take all yur cookies, but so u cud maek moar cookies 4EVAR!"

Of course I decided on my own. I made my decision by looking for evidence of divine inspiration. You've decided on your own using your methods. Are your methods better than mine? You're using MAN'S dictionary to understand words from a language that you don't speak nor understand.

 

[Bob_1000]

So if those verses were not prophecy then they had to be in reference to the scriptures that were present at that time.

I don't know what you mean. God promised to preserve his word forever.

Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[Bob_1000]

That's impossible, since Jesus did not speak/read/write English, nor did any of the Biblical authors. IOW, one can never claim that any translation -- in any modern language (including 1611 Englyshe) -- is the "pure words of the Lord".

ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God, language has nothing to do with it. God isn't bound by language.

 

[Bob_1000]

All scripture at that time not all future versions.

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Can you show me in that verse where it says only CURRENTLY written scripture is inspired by God?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't know what you mean. God promised to preserve his word forever.

Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

You don’t know what I mean? We’re talking about Paul’s words in 2 Timothy 3:16. Specifically what he meant by “all scripture”. He was referring to the scriptures that existed at that time not all that would ever be written, he certainly wasn’t referring to the KJV and to imply that he was is taking what he said out of context. There were several other gospels that were deemed not inspired by the church. Mormons believe the book of Mormons is inspired, Muslims believe the Quran is inspired. Ultimately it was the church who determined which books were inspired thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Can you show me in that verse where it says only CURRENTLY written scripture is inspired by God?

Ok so then the book of Mormons is inspired? The Quran is inspired? The question here is what scriptures was Paul referring to in that statement? All that would ever be written or what the church considered to be scripture at that time?

 

[Bob_1000]

Ok so then the book of Mormons is inspired? The Quran is inspired? The question here is what scriptures was Paul referring to in that statement? All that would ever be written or what the church considered to be scripture at that time?

Do those books even hint that God inspired them? No they don't. The plainly written unmistakable meaning of the words in that verse is that ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God. Do you not consider the bible scripture?

 

[Bob_1000]

You don’t know what I mean? We’re talking about Paul’s words in 2 Timothy 3:16. Specifically what he meant by “all scripture”. He was referring to the scriptures that existed at that time not all that would ever be written, he certainly wasn’t referring to the KJV and to imply that he was is taking what he said out of context. There were several other gospels that were deemed not inspired by the church. Mormons believe the book of Mormons is inspired, Muslims believe the Quran is inspired. Ultimately it was the church who determined which books were inspired thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

What you're doing is saying that Paul really didn't mean ALL SCRIPTURE, what he really intended to say was "all scripture that existed at that time". You're asking me to believe your version of what Paul said over what Paul actually said.

 

[pescador]

ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God, language has nothing to do with it. God isn't bound by language.

No, but humans are bound by language for our understanding of the Bible. How else are we to understand God's written word? (I'm not talking about being led by the Spirit, but about communicating by writing)

 

[Bob_1000]

No, but humans are bound by language for our understanding of the Bible. How else are we to understand God's written word? (I'm not talking about being led by the Spirit, but about communicating by writing)

The original writers were moved by the Holy Ghost to write what God wanted written. Why is it that the Holy Ghost can't move in the translators so that they write exactly what God wants them to write?

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Of course I decided on my own. I made my decision by looking for evidence of divine inspiration. You've decided on your own using your methods. Are your methods better than mine? You're using MAN'S dictionary to understand words from a language that you don't speak nor understand.

HUH? I'm a native English speaker and I've been reading Greek and serving as a Greek Orthodox chanter for 20 years. What are you talking about?

 

[Bob_1000]

HUH? I'm a native English speaker and I've been reading Greek and serving as a Greek Orthodox chanter for 20 years. What are you talking about?

That's good, I'm not trying to win you over to my side lol. You like your method and I like mine.

 

[trophy33]

That's good, I'm not trying to win you over to my side lol. You like your method and I like mine.

Such relativism will not help you much when his method is verifiable and yours is not.

His method most obviously wins if it can be based on some objective evidence like dictionaries.

 

[Bob_1000]

Such relativism will not help you much when his method is verifiable and yours is not.

His method most obviously wins if it can be based on some objective evidence like dictionaries.

Do you read books? If so, can you pick up a book by your favorite author and recognize his personality, his writing style, even his sense of humor when you read the book? Well that's how I know I'm right. I know Jesus and I recognize his personality, writing style, sense of humor, his shear perfection on anything he touches, and how he makes a mockery out of the wisdom of the world.

 

[trophy33]

Do you read books? If so, can you pick up a book by your favorite author and recognize his personality, his writing style, even his sense of humor when you read the book? Well that's how I know I'm right. I know Jesus and I recognize his personality, writing style, sense of humor, his shear perfection on anything he touches, and how he makes a mockery out of the wisdom of the world.

Jesus did not write anything.

 

[Bob_1000]

Jesus did not write anything.

Are you serious?

 

[trophy33]

Are you serious?

Of course.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do those books even hint that God inspired them? No they don't. The plainly written unmistakable meaning of the words in that verse is that ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God. Do you not consider the bible scripture?

Both of those books are believed to be written by prophets so yes that does give a hint that they were inspired by God and there are several books from the New Testament that don’t openly state that they are the inspired word of God. Paul didn’t write 2 Timothy 3:16 in the Bible he wrote it in a personal letter to Timothy, there was no Bible at that time. It was the church that determined which writings were inspired by God thru the Holy Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What you're doing is saying that Paul really didn't mean ALL SCRIPTURE, what he really intended to say was "all scripture that existed at that time". You're asking me to believe your version of what Paul said over what Paul actually said.

So all Bible versions are inspired by God then?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The original writers were moved by the Holy Ghost to write what God wanted written. Why is it that the Holy Ghost can't move in the translators so that they write exactly what God wants them to write?

So the Holy Spirit will not allow any errors to be made then? He will not allow someone to write false gospels? Because there’s a lot of them out there.