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Hi @Isaiah 41:10

@miamited

Any response to my post?

I find my comments pretty compelling, so just looking to get feedback, even if you disagree.

Thanks

Not really. I don't find that any of your Scriptural references support the idea that the word rā·qî·a‘ must necessarily be translated or infer some sort of dome like structure, or that even if it did, that said structure can't be just a meteorological device just as we today use the word 'dome' to refer to some meteorological constructs. The idea that God thinks that there is a metal or glass or bedrock dome structure that holds up the upper atmosphere is not a proven point by your references.

As I say, our basic difference lies in 'who' is the author of the Scriptures and how capable that one is in having everything written down just as He meant it to be. Paul write that the Scriptures were written by men 'as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit'.

In either case, as with all the things of God, each one is free to believe as they are led in their heart to believe. Mine happens to be that God created this entire realm of existence in mere short days, just as He has caused to be written in the law, which supposedly was written by the very finger of God on the stone tablets. "For in six days God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them." I believe that. That some are confused by the words used to describe the creation of the atmosphere of the earth, I'm confident, is a failure of man to understand the things of God. It in no way detracts from God's very words written by His own hand that in six days He created all the heavens and the earth and all that is in them.

But that's me. I live by faith that the revelation of God, carried forward to us through His people, is true and complete in all that it reveals to us.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi @Isaiah 41:10



Not really. I don't find that any of your Scriptural references support the idea that the word rā·qî·a‘ must necessarily be translated or infer some sort of dome like structure, or that even if it did, that said structure can't be just a meteorological device just as we today use the word 'dome' to refer to some meteorological constructs. The idea that God thinks that there is a metal or glass or bedrock dome structure that holds up the upper atmosphere is not a proven point by your references.

As I say, our basic difference lies in 'who' is the author of the Scriptures and how capable that one is in having everything written down just as He meant it to be. Paul write that the Scriptures were written by men 'as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit'.

In either case, as with all the things of God, each one is free to believe as they are led in their heart to believe. Mine happens to be that God created this entire realm of existence in mere short days, just as He has caused to be written in the law, which supposedly was written by the very finger of God on the stone tablets. "For in six days God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them." I believe that. That some are confused by the words used to describe the creation of the atmosphere of the earth, I'm confident, is a failure of man to understand the things of God. It in no way detracts from God's very words written by His own hand that in six days He created all the heavens and the earth and all that is in them.

But that's me. I live by faith that the revelation of God, carried forward to us through His people, is true and complete in all that it reveals to us.

God bless,
Ted

I have to ask, if the author of Genesis did not think that the dome was like glass, crystal, sapphire, metal or stone (all dense solid structures), then, in your opinion, why were all of these words used to describe the dome in scripture and not something simply like "gas"?

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Scripture commonly described the dome also as being like a sea of glass like a crystal (Rev 4:6 and Ezekiel 1:22), that God walks on (Job 22:14) that is as hard as a cast metal mirror (Job 37:18). A pavement like sapphire stone (Exodus 24:10). Among other verses that play into the historical position in which the authors of Genesis believed earth was flat with a solid dome over it. The dome had windows or flood gates (Genesis 7:11). There were pillars of the heavens (Job 26:11). Circle of the earth (Isaiah 4:22) etc etc.

Surely you can see why it might look like you aren't accepting scripture at its word (not that this is right or wrong but just an observation).


And if the firmament or dome really were an earthly atmospheric structure, then what does it mean that God placed the stars in the firmament? Surely the stars are not in our atmosphere but are millions of light-years away.

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