Courts halt Presidential edict

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It is not a ban on vaccines. It is reigning in a President for overstepping his authority.

If he has indeed done so, then he should be reigned in.

However, the federal government can and has set health and safety regulations for private business... nothing new about that.

Perhaps this is more of a procedural issue? Biden tried to do by executive order what he should have done through OSHA... in which case, he should be stopped, because Biden is right, but being right is not enough... one must do it in the right way.
 
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Pretty sure legal precedent will uphold the mandates.
People who talk about the legal precedent involved in Jacobsen v. Massachusetts frequently don't understand what actually happened in that case.

Yes, Jacobsen refused the vaccine because he had had a horrific previous reaction. But his option was to pay a $5 fine. He took it all the way to the Supreme Court on principle, lost, and then paid the fine. He went back to his life, and was not shunned, didn't lose his employment, and was not restricted in society, as it should be....and very unlike the tyranny currently unfolding.

"The law at issue in Jacobson did not impose a vaccine mandate. Rather, people who refused to receive the smallpox vaccine had to pay a $5 fine. (About $150 in present-day value). And the failure to pay the fine would result in a jail sentence. But the state lacked the power to jab a syringe in the offender's arm. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court observed, "f a person should deem it important that vaccination should not be performed in his case, and the authorities should think otherwise, it is not in their power to vaccinate him by force, and the worst that could happen to him under the statute would be the payment of the penalty of $5."

"In short, the failure to comply with the mandate required the payment of a penalty. And being forced to pay a nominal fine does not invade any "fundamental right." This model resembles the Affordable Care Act, as construed by Chief Justice Roberts's saving construction in NFIB v. Sebelius. People are not mandated to purchase insurance; rather, those who fail to purchase insurance must pay a tax-penalty"

Jacobson v. Massachusetts did not uphold the state's power to mandate vaccinations.
 
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If they want to pass a mandate, go through the Legislative body and do it through the proper channels.

You would think after five decades of being in Congress a former vice president now president he would know how to get things done.

Our president uses the current legislation legislative process to pass laws. A dictator rules by edict
 
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If they want to pass a mandate, go through the Legislative body and do it through the proper channels.

You would think after five decades of being in Congress a former vice president now president he would know how to get things done.

Our president uses the current legislation legislative process to pass laws. A dictator rules by edict
Just a reminder he was part of an administration that indiscriminately used executive orders that they even publicly admitted at the time were unconstitutional
 
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If they want to pass a mandate, go through the Legislative body and do it through the proper channels.

You would think after five decades of being in Congress a former vice president now president he would know how to get things done.

Our president uses the current legislation legislative process to pass laws. A dictator rules by edict

Umm... OSHA doesn't need the Legislative body to pass health and safety mandates.
 
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The courts are determining that

The fact that OSHA has made mandates in the past without Congressional voting would seem to indicate the answer.

It will be an interesting legal battle, but not a lengthy one.
 
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They would need it to increase the fines that the president has proposed.

Then President Biden can simply re-release the order with the original fines.
 
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Then President Biden can simply re-release the order with the original fines.

if his presidential edict is struck down by the courts, he cannot simply resend the edict.
 
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if his presidential edict is struck down by the courts, he cannot simply resend the edict.

If it gets rescinded for a specific reason, he can rewrite the Executive Order to correct that reason.

It's been done before -- how many times did he predecessor have to re-write his Muslim ban, after all?
 
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People who talk about the legal precedent involved in Jacobsen v. Massachusetts frequently don't understand what actually happened in that case.

Yes, Jacobsen refused the vaccine because he had had a horrific previous reaction. But his option was to pay a $5 fine. He took it all the way to the Supreme Court on principle, lost, and then paid the fine. He went back to his life, and was not shunned, didn't lose his employment, and was not restricted in society, as it should be....and very unlike the tyranny currently unfolding.

"The law at issue in Jacobson did not impose a vaccine mandate. Rather, people who refused to receive the smallpox vaccine had to pay a $5 fine. (About $150 in present-day value). And the failure to pay the fine would result in a jail sentence. But the state lacked the power to jab a syringe in the offender's arm. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court observed, "f a person should deem it important that vaccination should not be performed in his case, and the authorities should think otherwise, it is not in their power to vaccinate him by force, and the worst that could happen to him under the statute would be the payment of the penalty of $5."

"In short, the failure to comply with the mandate required the payment of a penalty. And being forced to pay a nominal fine does not invade any "fundamental right." This model resembles the Affordable Care Act, as construed by Chief Justice Roberts's saving construction in NFIB v. Sebelius. People are not mandated to purchase insurance; rather, those who fail to purchase insurance must pay a tax-penalty"

Jacobson v. Massachusetts did not uphold the state's power to mandate vaccinations.
There was indeed a vaccine mandate. He violated and was punished according to the law.

Those laws are becoming more strict.
 
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