Independently repeatable evidence that God interacts with our world

[Clizby WampusCat]

He doesn't actually reveal Himself. He allows you to accept that He has heard you and then gives you the gift of faith in His response to you. Yes, humility is the only stumbling block. It's very simple, but still not easy. He doesn't ask you to jump through hoops. He asks you to remove the resistance you have built up for your entire life.

I did this. But I know I know its always my fault, right. I believed for 18 years, then when my crisis of faith came He was nowhere to be found. If your God wants a relationship He makes it pretty hard to accomplish. So He won't reveal himself anyway? Funny how your God has characteristics that are indistinguishable from a god that does not exist.

 

[A_Thinker]

Since the Big Bang violated the laws of thermodynamics that energy cannot be created, that makes it an event outside of the natural - which is by definition super-natural, it would be God that wound up the energy clock that is unwinding slowly, through what is called Entropy.

In fact Hindu physics professor Amit Goswami says that quantum physics proves that God is the only possible first observer at the Big Bang creation event, so that matter could come into existence from the energy that was created.

So then, there is not only the existence of the watch, ... but also the fact that it is running ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Ramanujan was a Brahmin which is the highest caste in Hinduism and the God he was referring to was the Goddess Namagiri Thayar, the Hindu Goddess of creativity.

Creativity is the aspect which was being discussed ...

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Creativity is the aspect which was being discussed ...

So, then you accept the existence and attributes of the Goddess Namagiri Thayar, based on the Hindu physicists explanation?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Since the Big Bang violated the laws of thermodynamics that energy cannot be created, that makes it an event outside of the natural - which is by definition super-natural, it would be God that wound up the energy clock that is unwinding slowly, through what is called Entropy.

Wow, this must be bad news to the many cosmologists & physicists that have made careers out studying this stuff.

Oh wait, no... it's actually the Dunning-Kruger effect at work.

In fact Hindu physics professor Amit Goswami says that quantum physics proves that God is the only possible first observer at the Big Bang creation event, so that matter could come into existence from the energy that was created.

Oh yeah, the guy who claims to have a scientific proof of God, has his own theosophic interpretation of quantum mechanics, and encourages belief in "subtle energies called variously as prana, chi, and ki."

I suggest you find out what the informed consensus is; the extreme fringe is, in general, neither scientifically coherent nor consistent in their more 'exotic' views.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I explain it all in detail. It's fully tested.

Of course you can; of course it is.

 

[chad kincham]

Wow, this must be bad news to the many cosmologists & physicists that have made careers out studying this stuff.

Oh wait, no... it's actually the Dunning-Kruger effect at work.

Oh yeah, the guy who claims to have a scientific proof of God, has his own theosophic interpretation of quantum mechanics, and encourages belief in "subtle energies called variously as prana, chi, and ki."

I suggest you find out what the informed consensus is; the extreme fringe is, in general, neither scientifically coherent nor consistent in their more 'exotic' views.

So, your not-so-thinly-veiled insult with the dunnig-Kruger effect attribution of my comment, is that anyone who believes there is a creator behind the formation of the universe, is incompetent, but is incapable of evaluating their own incompetence, eh?

Sounds like a sneaky form of flaming or goading to me, are you trying to fly that under the forum monitors radar?

I’ll add the Big Bang theory consensus to the list of the many things that the consensus has wrong about in the past, BTW.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So, your not-so-thinly-veiled insult with the dunnig-Kruger effect attribution of my comment, is that anyone who believes there is a creator behind the formation of the universe, is incompetent, but is incapable of evaluating their own incompetence, eh?

Sounds like a sneaky form of flaming or goading to me, are you trying to fly that under the forum monitors radar?

I’ll add the Big Bang theory consensus to the list of the many things that the consensus has wrong about in the past, BTW.

Let me be clear then...

Your post indicated that *you* did not understand the physics you quoted about.

Whether or not that lack of understanding makes you feel confident in you interpretation or not is the only indicator of if the Dunning-Kruger effect applies to you. (That's just the way it goes.)

 

[SkyWriting]

I did this. But I know I know its always my fault, right. I believed for 18 years, then when my crisis of faith came He was nowhere to be found. If your God wants a relationship He makes it pretty hard to accomplish. So He won't reveal himself anyway? Funny how your God has characteristics that are indistinguishable from a god that does not exist.

Jesus was convinced and He tells a better story than you have so far.

 

[SkyWriting]

Is the Hindu physics professor referring to a Christian God?One of the greatest mathematicians of all time was Srinivasa Ramanujan.
He collaborated with the atheist G.H.Hardy who was no slouch himself as a mathematician.
Hardy asked Ramanujan where he got the understanding for his equations on number theory to which Ramanujan replied.Ramanujan was a Brahmin which is the highest caste in Hinduism and the God he was referring to was the Goddess Namagiri Thayar, the Hindu Goddess of creativity.

There is only one God and religions each describe Him differently.

 

[sjastro]

There is only one God and religions each describe Him differently.

Try convincing a polytheist Hindu with this argument.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So, your not-so-thinly-veiled insult with the dunnig-Kruger effect attribution of my comment, is that anyone who believes there is a creator behind the formation of the universe, is incompetent, but is incapable of evaluating their own incompetence, eh?

No, it was a reference to your confident but incorrect assertion that "the Big Bang violated the laws of thermodynamics that energy cannot be created". That indicates a lack of awareness that you don't understand what you're talking about.

I have no issues with alternative cosmological and physical theories, but persistent misrepresentation of existing physics and theories needs to be corrected.

I have no issues with the claim that the universe was created, though I see no evidence for it. Of course, it would be special pleading to claim that a creator would not be subject to the laws of thermodynamics.

I’ll add the Big Bang theory consensus to the list of the many things that the consensus has wrong about in the past, BTW.

Your evidence basis for that opinion?

 

[Neogaia777]

I did this. But I know I know its always my fault, right. I believed for 18 years, then when my crisis of faith came He was nowhere to be found. If your God wants a relationship He makes it pretty hard to accomplish. So He won't reveal himself anyway? Funny how your God has characteristics that are indistinguishable from a god that does not exist.

Is that the same as "He let me down so I do not believe in Him" "thing" again, etc...?

Well, Jesus and/or God wanted us to know that He knows and tried to show us He knows that fact so very much in this world, that He himself volunteered to go through it Himself, unto death, and death on a cross, etc, and that, in his hour of greatest need, He too was forsaken, and God did not do a thing, or reply or answer, etc, but after he died, God caused him to be resurrected afterwards, which was evidenced by many, etc, but, it's like God almost didn't know how to show us how much He cared other than appearing to us, and letting us see him go through it himself, etc, and Jesus was that vessel, the first one anyway...

And also, you would also not believe in God, just because it may not always be in the way you want or expect him to speak to you or with you or something, etc, what if He just doesn't want to reveal Himself to us in those ways, but in ways that might blow is away even more, etc, and maybe the more obvious ways are boring or something maybe, etc, what if He wishes to reveal himself to us in much more maybe "higher", ways, maybe, etc, or much more inventive and revealing and creative, etc...

When I hear from Him it's not an obvious voice, but more thoughts in my mind, etc, and it's sometimes two sided sometimes...

I don't think He's just going to directly speak in a very loud or blatant or obvious audible outside voice all of the time to everyone, etc, as I think He is done with that now, etc, and it is now about "faith" now, etc, and He now exists on the inside now also, but it is about faith, which means that you may have to take some things "on faith" sometimes maybe, etc, because that is all God is looking for or is interested now, etc, which requires that certain things remain hidden or buried until they are eventually proven and/or are revealed, etc...

You want to know why God just doesn't make Himself obvious, and obvious to everyone, etc, and all I can tell you is might negate faith, which is all God is interested in right now, etc...

And that we all must go through how it feels to be forsaken for a time, or at different times in our lives, etc, because unfortunately it's part of the process sometimes, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Is that the same as "He let me down so I do not believe in Him" "thing" again, etc...?

I don't think so - if you believe in a God that guarantees to be there for you in your times of deepest need, and there is no trace of that God in your time of deepest need, then ceteris paribus, it's reasonable to conclude that the God you believed in doesn't exist - you were mistaken in your belief. In which case, God didn't let you down, he didn't exist.

Of course, the alternative explanation is that your belief in the guarantee of help in times of great need was misplaced - the 'read the small print' explanation (insurance companies use this one a lot). I've even heard the explanation offered that the loss of belief in God is God's way of helping the individual become strong and learn to deal with life's problems on their own - and once they understand that, they can return to their belief in God. It's extraordinary the convoluted lengths people will go to defend the indefensible...

You want to know why God just doesn't make Himself obvious, and obvious to everyone, etc, and all I can tell you is might negate faith, which is all God is interested in right now, etc...

Do you really think that you should believe someone that makes amazing promises of things that seem too good to be true and who could easily demonstrate the truth of these claims but refuses to because he wants you to take his word for it, and he says unless you take his word for it, you won't get what he promises?

If so, I have a wonderful bridge to sell you at a fraction of its true value, but I can only show it to you once you've bought it.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Jesus was convinced and He tells a better story than you have so far.

I hope He was convinced since He claimed to be God.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Is that the same as "He let me down so I do not believe in Him" "thing" again, etc...?

Nope. I do not believe God exists because there is no good evidence that He does exist.

Well, Jesus and/or God wanted us to know that He knows and tried to show us He knows that fact so very much in this world, that He himself volunteered to go through it Himself, unto death, and death on a cross, etc, and that, in his hour of greatest need, He too was forsaken, and God did not do a thing, or reply or answer, etc, but after he died, God caused him to be resurrected afterwards, which was evidenced by many, etc, but, it's like God almost didn't know how to show us how much He cared other than appearing to us, and letting us see him go through it himself, etc, and Jesus was that vessel, the first one anyway...

Why do you believe this is true?

And also, you would also not believe in God, just because it may not always be in the way you want or expect him to speak to you or with you or something, etc, what if He just doesn't want to reveal Himself to us in those ways, but in ways that might blow is away even more, etc, and maybe the more obvious ways are boring or something maybe, etc, what if He wishes to reveal himself to us in much more maybe "higher", ways, maybe, etc, or much more inventive and revealing and creative, etc...

That would be a dumb reason to not believe something. I don't believe because there is insufficient evidence.

You want to know why God just doesn't make Himself obvious, and obvious to everyone, etc, and all I can tell you is might negate faith, which is all God is interested in right now, etc...

Believing something without good evidence is not a good way to live your life. If God won't give me good evidence for belief then it is not my problem.

 

[Neogaia777]

If God won't give me good evidence for belief then it is not my problem.

I guess we shall see...

God Bless!

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I guess we shall see...

Veiled threat then,

God Bless!

 

[tas8831]

Even minister and preachers....have never had prayers answered.

Then they must not believe.

There are no true believers. But there are people of Faith.

Who have to BELIEVE in miracles beforehand in order to see that, for example, some clouds that sort of from a certain angle look like kind of like a bird, therefore Jesus! (actually saw that one on social media - the Christians were just so in awe over this miracle!)

I require Faith because I can rarely see God's answers.
But it has happened enough for me to know God it there.
Even without confirmation bias.

If you say so.

Too bad that you don't have data to fall back on like I do.

 

[tas8831]

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