Independently repeatable evidence that God interacts with our world

[Clizby WampusCat]

Sounds like you need to define evidence.

Evidence can be anything that a person uses to support what they believe to be true. The problem is there is good and bad evidence based on the claim. If you told me that you owned a dog named Barney I would believe you without any further evidence. It is a mundane claim. If you said that Barney can fly, then I would not take that claim on your word because that is an extraordinary claim. I would need additional good evidence. As it stands now, all evidence that I have investigated is not sound enough to believe that a god exists.

If the Christian God exists then He would know what evidence I would need to be convinced and provide that evidence. Since that has not happened, I can only conclude that God does not want me to know He exists or God does not want me to know He exists yet, or that a God does not exist. I have no way to determine which is true.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Evidence can be anything that a person uses to support what they believe to be true.

How about we start with a real definition of evidence...

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid...

 

[klutedavid]

Hello,

I hope I posted on the right place. English is my second language please excuse my grammar mistakes.

I am genuinely curious if there is any independently repeatable evidence that God interacts with our world, I would prefer an article published in a well estabilished journal. I mostly looking for sciences like: physics, biology, chemistry etc and not sciences like philosophy.
I am curious and wanted to ask you guys, it looked like a good place to ask. This is just a friendly request and no offense meant.

Thank you in advance,
Kind Regards,
Curious about this

I would say that God directly interacts with His world, fact.

God has been visibly observed in the form of Jesus Christ.

The universe is the direct evidence of God's immense power.

All of science and human history ultimately proclaims Jesus Christ.

The number of books written about Jesus Christ, far exceeds, anyone else in history.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

How about we start with a real definition of evidence...

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid...

That is not a good definition. The "indicates" is subjective. Each person gets to decide for themselves whether a piece of evidence is convincing or not. Evidence can be anything not just the evidence that is convincing. There is evidence that the earth is flat. Most people have determined that this evidence is insufficient in relation to other evidence that is more convincing that the earth is spherical shaped.

You are convinced that a god exists by some evidence that convinces you. That same evidence probably will not convince me but probably did at one time. Each person has a different standard of evidence to be convinced and that can change over time. Mine did as I learned more about epistemology and how to evaluate evidence to maximize believing true things and minimizing believing false things. I can tell you why each piece of evidence presented to me so far for gods existence is unconvincing. It is not just that I don't want to believe.

 

[RDKirk]

But if it actually happened then statistical analysis should bare that out. It follows that people of different faiths or no faith should experience significantly fewer instances of "miraculous healing" and/or spontaneous remission than Christians due to intercessory prayer and/or faith in the power of their gods. If there is no difference in those groups then prayer is statistically no different than non-prayer. i.e. praying has 0 discernable effect on reality.

Not at all. Most people--including Christians--are going to pray to satisfy their own desires (God doesn't necessarily need most people's sicknesses healed). Those prayers will be "answered" according to chance like everyone else's.

I suspect the percentage of prayers by Christians actually in line with God's will is quite small, and probably not statistically significant.

 

[RDKirk]

If the Christian God exists then He would know what evidence I would need to be convinced and provide that evidence. Since that has not happened, I can only conclude that God does not want me to know He exists or God does not want me to know He exists yet, or that a God does not exist. I have no way to determine which is true.

Or...God is only interested in people who accept a particular kind of evidence. The acceptance of that type of evidence is a filter.

 

[SkyWriting]

Now THAT is an amazing coincidence - you have to believe beforehand to even see it.
And, of course, if you want to be considered a TRUE believer, then you must see it... even when you don't... So you just go along to get along... like a good flock member...

Even minister and preachers....have never had prayers answered.
There are no true believers. But there are people of Faith.
I require Faith because I can rarely see God's answers.
But it has happened enough for me to know God it there.
Even without confirmation bias.

 

[SkyWriting]

So the secret is that the world looks just the same as if prayers are not answered, and those that believe in the power of prayer can find instances where prayer coincides with a beneficial outcome. Got it.

That is pretty close. If you read the entire link below, it explains it better.
But I'll post it here:

 

[SkyWriting]

Wow - that is EXACTLY what appears at the blog you linked to!

I note that the essay you linked to has exactly ZERO links or citations to original source material, research reports, etc.

IOW - it is all just empty assertion.

And you believed it.

Can YOU prove it is?

Keep in mind, if you are going to refer to that same link, I will just laugh.

Paul claimed that his writings were inspired from God.

 

[NBB]

The evidence for God its the universe and creatures themselves, things like beauty love, spirituality etc and well designed things don't come out by themselves, but people are blinded by the devil to not see this.

 

[NxNW]

Accountability to Truth.

If the Bible was the word of God, it would be perfect, and therefore perfectly understood and perfectly agreed upon and perfectly substantiated.

 

[NxNW]

The evidence for God its the universe and creatures themselves, things like beauty love, spirituality etc and well designed things don't come out by themselves

I see a lot of bad design out there.

 

[NxNW]

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God has been visibly observed in the form of Jesus Christ.

How tall was he?

What color were his eyes?

The universe is the direct evidence of God's immense power.

Which aspect of the universe requires supernatural forces to exist?

All of science and human history ultimately proclaims Jesus Christ.

Link, please.

The number of books written about Jesus Christ, far exceeds, anyone else in history.

Is that supposed to be evidence?

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, and every single time science has got something wrong it was corrected later by science. Not religion. That is the greatness of how science determines what is true.

The story of Jesus making the old obsolete.

 

[SkyWriting]

I see a lot of bad design out there.

You are rare.

 

[klutedavid]

If the Bible was the word of God, it would be perfect, and therefore perfectly understood and perfectly agreed upon and perfectly substantiated.

Who said that the Bible needs to be perfect?

The Bible contains prophecies and types that painted the portrait and predicted the arrival of the Creator Himself.

The Bible was written by men. The Bible has been copied by men. The Bible has been translated by men. The Bible itself was assembled by men into a canon.

If anyone thinks the Bible is perfect, then they have been misinformed.

The Christ was perfect but the scripture was merely the template.

 

[klutedavid]

How tall was he?

Before the incarnation, during His time as the messiah, or after the resurrection in heaven?

What color were his eyes?

See above.

Which aspect of the universe requires supernatural forces to exist?

I assumed the universe was a supernatural construct. I do not believe there exists anything that could be called "natural". You have wrongly assumed that the universe is a natural entity.

Link, please.

Link to what?

Faith is the requirement and that is exactly the same requirement as science needs. You can believe that science can understand the universe by observation and measurement. I do not have that level of faith in science. All I have seen in science is increasing complexity.

Quantum Theory is beyond human comprehension.

How about I ask you a question.

How many galaxies are there in the universe? Will we ever know?

 

[Carl Emerson]

If the Bible was the word of God, it would be perfect, and therefore perfectly understood and perfectly agreed upon and perfectly substantiated.

When interpreted in the way it was designed to be - through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, it is perfect, but man gets in the way and fouls things up.

 

[Aussie Pete]

How convenient.

I wonder why you bother attacking the beliefs of others. You are a collection of molecules randomly assembled by nothing but time and chance. Your thoughts are no more correct than the thoughts of murderous Kim Jong Un, whose thoughts are also a result of evolutionary process - if indeed evolution is true. What makes your thoughts and better, any more accurate, or any more true than any other human being? That includes those you despise called Christians. The answer is simple. Nothing. If man evolved, then his every action, thought, response, emotion, imagination, creation and desire is purely a product of random processes that are hard wired into an individual. How can you say one is right and one is wrong? The very concept has no meaning. You can say that you are programmed to think a different way to others. But you have no moral right to judge anyone else.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Now THAT is an amazing coincidence - you have to believe beforehand to even see it.
And, of course, if you want to be considered a TRUE believer, then you must see it... even when you don't... So you just go along to get along... like a good flock member...

Try describing a sunset to a person born blind. They will hear your words but they will mean nothing. So it is to argue with an atheist. You cannot understand. What is worse, you do not want to know. God will reveal Himself to anyone who wants to know. You do not want to know.

This guy wanted to know. He was an atheist.