Who is Under the Law?

[HARK!]

(CLV) Ro 3:19
Now we are aware that, whatever the law is saying, it is speaking to those under the law, that every mouth may be barred, and the entire world may become subject to the just verdict of God,

(CLV) 1Co 6:9
Or are you not aware that the unjust shall not be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom? Be not deceived. Neither paramours, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor catamites, nor sodomites,

(CLV) 1Co 6:10
nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards; not revilers, not extortioners shall be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom.

Are the unjust under the law?
Are the paramours under the law?
Are the idolaters under the law?
Are the adulterers under the law?
Are the catamites under the law?
Are the sodomites under the law?
Are the thieves under the law?
Are the greedy under the law?
Are the drunkards under the law?
Are the revilers under the law?
Are the extortioners under the law?
Are the unjust under the law?

(CLV) Ro 6:11
Thus you also, be reckoning yourselves to be dead, indeed, to Sin, yet living to God in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

(CLV) Ro 6:12
Let not Sin, then, be reigning in your mortal body, for you to be obeying its lusts.

(CLV) Ro 6:13
Nor yet be presenting your members, as implements of injustice, to Sin, but present yourselves to God as if alive from among the dead, and your members as implements of righteousness to God.

(CLV) Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

 

[SkyWriting]

(CLV) Ro 3:19
Now we are aware that, whatever the law is saying, it is speaking to those under the law, that every mouth may be barred, and the entire world may become subject to the just verdict of God,

(CLV) 1Co 6:9
Or are you not aware that the unjust shall not be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom? Be not deceived. Neither paramours, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor catamites, nor sodomites,

(CLV) 1Co 6:10
nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards; not revilers, not extortioners shall be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom.

Are the unjust under the law?
Are the paramours under the law?
Are the idolaters under the law?
Are the adulterers under the law?
Are the catamites under the law?
Are the sodomites under the law?
Are the thieves under the law?
Are the greedy under the law?
Are the drunkards under the law?
Are the revilers under the law?
Are the extortioners under the law?
Are the unjust under the law?

(CLV) Ro 6:11
Thus you also, be reckoning yourselves to be dead, indeed, to Sin, yet living to God in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

(CLV) Ro 6:12
Let not Sin, then, be reigning in your mortal body, for you to be obeying its lusts.

(CLV) Ro 6:13
Nor yet be presenting your members, as implements of injustice, to Sin, but present yourselves to God as if alive from among the dead, and your members as implements of righteousness to God.

(CLV) Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

 

[HARK!]

Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

Yes, this means dead to sin (transgression of the Torah), not obeying our lusts, being implements of the righteousness of YHWH.

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

I hope this this answers any questions you might have. Would you like to answer any of mine?

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, this means dead to sin (transgression of the Torah), not obeying our lusts, being implements of the righteousness of YHWH.

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

I hope this this answers any questions you might have. Would you like to answer any of mine?

Which lusts of mine are you imagining and accusing?

Are the unjust under the law?
Are the paramours under the law?
Are the idolaters under the law?
Are the adulterers under the law?
Are the catamites under the law?
Are the sodomites under the law?
Are the thieves under the law?
Are the greedy under the law?
Are the drunkards under the law?
Are the revilers under the law?
Are the extortioners under the law?
Oh, the Law of God for man is Local laws.

Jesus was crucified under local law.
We can say "Good!" or "Bad!".

 

[HARK!]

Which lusts of mine are you imagining and accusing?

I'm not your accuser. Maybe you imagined it. Maybe it's spiritual.

 

[HARK!]

Jesus was crucified under local law.
We can say "Good!" or "Bad!".

We could also say "Irrelevant to the OP!"

 

[HIM]

Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

Sin is not lording over you only if you are not doing it.

 

[HIM]

Yes, this means dead to sin (transgression of the Torah), not obeying our lusts, being implements of the righteousness of YHWH.

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

I hope this this answers any questions you might have. Would you like to answer any of mine?

He that does rightousness is righteous even as He is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

 

[BobRyan]

(CLV) Ro 3:19
Now we are aware that, whatever the law is saying, it is speaking to those under the law, that every mouth may be barred, and the entire world may become subject to the just verdict of God,
.

That post answers the question in the first text it references - "every mouth" and also states it as "the entire world" -- which then means that everyone needs the Gospel not just "some" because "all have sinned" Rom 3:23

No soul of man can say "it is not a sin for me to take God's name in vain".

Everyone is under the condemnation of the Law of God - until they accept the Gospel. And from then on the Law of God is written on the heart Jer 31:31-33 under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34, and they are under obligation to "sin not" 1 john 2:1

 

[LoricaLady]

When people say the Law has been done away with, they quote Paul, not the Father or the Son.

Paul had no authority whatsoever to change a single thing the Creator ordained, not did he try to do so. See Acts 21 where he took a Temple vow to prove he adhered to the Law of Moses. (KJV.)

See Acts 15 where the food laws of Moses are being upheld for NON Jewish converts. They are forbidden blood and the meat of strangled animals. Strangled animals were not slaughtered per Mosaic Law and still had all the blood in them. Later on in Acts 15 we see, as was the custom of the time, that the new converts are assumed to be going to the Synagogues on the Sabbath to learn the rest of the Law of Moses.

1 John: 3-4 For sin is the breaking of the Law.

Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of YHWH, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.


Romans 6:16 - Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slave whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness? [This is clearly saying that sin leads to death, i.e. eternal death. Yes, there is mercy, and there are so many opportunities to turn around, countless "2nd chances", but sin still leads to eternal death if we don't take it seriously and take it to the Lord. Not my opinion. It's what the Word says over and over.]

Those quotes are mostly from Paul who we are often taught said the law was no longer in effect. Here is another quote from him.

Acts 25:8 Paul denied charges. “I am not guilty of any crime against the Jewish laws or the Temple or the Roman government,” he said. So we see he was keeping the Law of Moses. He was keeping the 7th Day Sabbath therefore, observing the high holy days and food laws.

Now, and we can't say there is one law for Jews like Paul and one law for the rest of us. The Bible never even hints at any such divide. In fact in the Torah we are told that aliens/foreigners are to obey the same Law in Israel as the Israelites, and in the New Testament we are told "There is neither Greek nor Jew."

When I first started to study issues like the Sabbath, I found the varying scholarly opinions to be totally confusing. So, I decided to check out and see what the first century Christians actually did. Actions speak louder than words of those two thousand years later in a totally different culture.

I found out that Catholic, Protestant and secular first century historians agreed that the first century Christians all kept the 7th Day Sabbath, the high holy days, and the food laws. So now so do I.

 

[dqhall]

(CLV) Ro 3:19
Now we are aware that, whatever the law is saying, it is speaking to those under the law, that every mouth may be barred, and the entire world may become subject to the just verdict of God,

(CLV) 1Co 6:9
Or are you not aware that the unjust shall not be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom? Be not deceived. Neither paramours, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor catamites, nor sodomites,

(CLV) 1Co 6:10
nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards; not revilers, not extortioners shall be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom.

Are the unjust under the law?
Are the paramours under the law?
Are the idolaters under the law?
Are the adulterers under the law?
Are the catamites under the law?
Are the sodomites under the law?
Are the thieves under the law?
Are the greedy under the law?
Are the drunkards under the law?
Are the revilers under the law?
Are the extortioners under the law?
Are the unjust under the law?

(CLV) Ro 6:11
Thus you also, be reckoning yourselves to be dead, indeed, to Sin, yet living to God in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

(CLV) Ro 6:12
Let not Sin, then, be reigning in your mortal body, for you to be obeying its lusts.

(CLV) Ro 6:13
Nor yet be presenting your members, as implements of injustice, to Sin, but present yourselves to God as if alive from among the dead, and your members as implements of righteousness to God.

(CLV) Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.

The law against murder, “you shall not kill,” is observed.

Another law advising the community to tear down leprous houses (Leviticus 14:33-57) is doubtful. It seems to advise first trying to repair a house spotted with mold or green algae, then if the mold is severe, to tear it down. In Florida people get their homes pressure washed to remove mold. A mixture of bleach and water may be used to remove mold. The use of mold resistant paint is also helpful. These things were not available in ancient Israel. In Florida we have to keep the air conditioning on to prevent mold, book mold, or mildew from forming in the home.

 

[LoricaLady]

Just for "fun", here is some modern science regarding the Mosaic law to avoid unclean animals like pork.

Pig Science - 119 Ministries - YouTube

 

[HARK!]

The law against murder, “you shall not kill,” is observed.

Another law advising the community to tear down leprous houses (Leviticus 14:33-57) is doubtful. It seems to advise first trying to repair a house spotted with mold or green algae, then if the mold is severe, to tear it down. In Florida people get their homes pressure washed to remove mold. A mixture of bleach and water may be used to remove mold. The use of mold resistant paint is also helpful. These things were not available in ancient Israel. In Florida we have to keep the air conditioning on to prevent mold, book mold, or mildew from forming in the home.

We are instructed to attempt to remedy the mold, before the house is condemned.

In many places in the world people will attempt to remedy mold before a house is condemned by the law of the City or State where it is located. These are secular laws; yet they align with YHWH's law.

It's clear to me that Paul isn't talking about secular law.

 

[HARK!]

Just for "fun", here is some modern science regarding the Mosaic law to avoid unclean animals like pork.

Pig Science - 119 Ministries - YouTube

Good one.

Have you seen this one?

 

[LoricaLady]

Good one.

Have you seen this one?

No I haven’t seen that video. It seems to have some information I’ve never heard before which is always fun.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sin is not lording over you only if you are not doing it.

I decide what is sin.

 

[HARK!]

A mixture of bleach and water may be used to remove mold. The use of mold resistant paint is also helpful. These things were not available in ancient Israel.

In 3000 B.C, bleaches were made by mixing wood ashes and water together to make lye solutions.

History - Bleach (Sodium Hypochlorite)

The first concrete evidence we have of soap-like substance is dated around 2800 BC., the first soap makers were Babylonians, Mesopotamians, Egyptians, as well as the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The Soap History and Origins - First Soap Makers

 

[SkyWriting]

We could also say "Irrelevant to the OP!"

Everyone is under local law, like Jesus, nobody is subject to any church laws.
It that more on topic?

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm not your accuser. Maybe you imagined it. Maybe it's spiritual.

OK. Just imaging then. Dream away.

 

[HARK!]

I decide what is sin.

This was decided long before you were born.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.