Freedom or Socialism?

[TheWhat?]

Where do we find this currently?

Is there a problem with a desire for freedoms in America, and freedom to innovate?

 

[rturner76]

I don't want to see the poor "perish", but I would like it if more of them had the get-up and go to become a business executive and make lots of money so they can afford the healthcare they require.

It's such a shame that there are so many lazy Americans out there today. But it's on them.

Are people with disabilities "lazy?"

 

[rturner76]

Just so long as I'm not required to care about them as human beings. If they are not working they are not in my line of sight. I have no time for people to be lazy and unproductive.

How people do put down their contemporaries.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Nice try. As a skilled worker I am the human capital.

Then what's stopping you from doing this communal business you want?

 

[TheWhat?]

Then what's stopping you from doing this communal business you want?

It's called a cooperative.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's called a cooperative.

Whatever....what's stopping you?

 

[TheWhat?]

Whatever....what's stopping you?

We can theorize about that until we're blue in the face but I personally consider the problem to be, primarily, corporate personhood. Monetary interests, and potentially foreign ones at that, should not have more sway via freedom of speech than groups of human citizens. They have an unfair advantage and are undermining our democracy.

 

[Ana the Ist]

We can theorize about that until we're blue in the face but I personally consider the problem to be, primarily, corporate personhood.

Is this a serious answer? Or are you making a joke?

Monetary interests, and potentially foreign ones at that, should not have more sway via freedom of speech than groups of human citizens. They have an unfair advantage and are undermining our democracy.

What in the world are you talking about?

There's literally nothing about creating a cooperative that is against the law. You can literally find a group of like minded people who want to do the same, and enter into a legal agreement where you all share whatever you want to share in your cooperative.

I don't see how "corporate personhood" or "monetary interests" and especially "freedom of speech" could possibly stop you from doing this.

 

[TheWhat?]

Is this a serious answer? Or are you making a joke?



What in the world are you talking about?

There's literally nothing about creating a cooperative that is against the law. You can literally find a group of like minded people who want to do the same, and enter into a legal agreement where you all share whatever you want to share in your cooperative.

I don't see how "corporate personhood" or "monetary interests" and especially "freedom of speech" could possibly stop you from doing this.

Corporate spending to influence public opinion is considered the voice of a corporate person, protected by the first amendment, which can very feasibly be related to a lack of public support. If we didn't have corporate personhood, we would have to rely on human citizens to influence opinion if not think for ourselves.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Corporate spending to influence public opinion is considered the voice of a corporate person,

Is there some corporation running ads against cooperatives?

On a related note, what tv channels are you watching?

protected by the first amendment, which can very feasibly be related to a lack of public support.

You don't need public support, you only need to have people working with you at the cooperative and you need to run a successful business together.

If we didn't have corporate personhood, we would have to rely on human citizens to influence opinion if not think for ourselves.

Corporations aren't limiting the ideas you have or can express.

Most of your objections sound vague and fictional.

 

[TheWhat?]

Is there some corporation running ads against cooperatives?

On a related note, what tv channels are you watching?



You don't need public support, you only need to have people working with you at the cooperative and you need to run a successful business together.



Corporations aren't limiting the ideas you have or can express.

Most of your objections sound vague and fictional.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. What's your motive? What do you have to gain by being oppositional, anyways?

 

[pacomascarot]

You mean more than the 30 billion their 250k investment has already made them?

They assumed the initial risk. They should be richer than Jeff. Otherwise this whole "initial risk" gambit doesn't make any sense.

Manual labor is manual labor. It's rarely worth much by itself.

Is that why Jeff uses SO MUCH of it? And why we the taxpayer end up paying our taxes to help them feed themselves?

And his own, and now his parents are billionaires too.

Is that why I am helping to keep these people fed from my tax money?

Oh so the head of Stanford is racist and he's passing on superior mathematics professors because they aren't white?

You don't seem to know much about university diversity equity and inclusion initiatives. Not much association with any universities?

 

[pacomascarot]

Are people with disabilities "lazy?"

America has no time for disabilities. Our previous president, the greatest man to ever roll into the Oval Office, knew this and he helped normalize making fun of the disabled. Trump knew the score.

 

[pacomascarot]

How people do put down their contemporaries.

America is like a cartoon wolf-pack. In reality wolf packs actually take care of their members but in our cartoon version we don't have time for the weak or incapable. America needs to win and we can't have losers dragging us down. Win-win-win-win-win.

Trump was on the way to giving us so much winning, but then Biden somehow became president so I guess we'll have to lose for a while. Then in 2024 when Trump returns to judge the quick and the dead we'll win again!

 

[Clare73]

Nice try.

But no response. . .

As a skilled worker I am the human capital.

Are you being compensated for your investment at the rate at which the actual market values it?

Your issue?

We've had varieties of models at work throughout history from craftmens' guilds to cooperatives and the like. We lack the freedom to do this in America because we do not value innovation as much as we say we do. States in Europe are beating us in the area of entrepreneurial ventures.

And their market success?

Demonstration?

 

[Clare73]

America has no time for disabilities. Our previous president, the greatest man to ever roll into the Oval Office, knew this and he helped normalize making fun of the disabled. Trump knew the score.

Where are we finding this general problem of making fun of the disabled?

Demonstration?

 

[comana]

Guess you didn't know that "out of network" means HMO, and an HMO by any other name is still an HMO.

Won't hold your ignorance against you as you would me.

No, that’s not what it means. Even the “best” policies come with networks.

 

[pacomascarot]

Where are we finding this general problem of making fun of the disabled?

Demonstration?

Did you not see the picture?

 

[Clare73]

Is there a problem with a desire for freedoms in America, and freedom to innovate?

Do you think there is? Where do you see this phenomena? What denied freedoms are desired?

 

[Clare73]

Are people with disabilities "lazy?"

There is more than one on government disbility who is able to work.