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When your are forgiven, does this just mean that God will let you into heaven, or is it also a tangible experience that can be experienced now when you are born again?

I've done some bad things, e.g. when I was in school me and some others teased a boy and he hung himself that night.
As an adult I went to prison for hitting somebody, he suffered brain damage.
There have been lots of things...

What is it like to be forgiven?

I feel heavy in my heart at times. As I get older, I feel more understanding of what I've done and it just feels sadder..
The guy I hit survived, but he died a few years ago. I wonder about his family, his mother.
 

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When your are forgiven, does this just mean that God will let you into heaven, or is it also a tangible experience that can be experienced now when you are born again?

Most times it is just a knowledge that God has forgiven you (and you will not go to Hell), other times it fills my being with joy, like it says in the 50th Psalm [51 in Hebrew] which is a perfect Psalm of repentance and forgiveness, and described the feeling saying:

"Thou [God] shalt sprinkle me with hyssop, and I shall be purified: thou shalt wash me, and I shall be made whiter than snow. Thou shalt cause me to hear gladness and joy [of being forgiven]: the afflicted bones shall rejoice."

It is truly a blessed feeling, as it says in Psalm 31 [32] "blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."
 
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Forgiveness comes only by faith in and trust on the person and atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and right standing with God's justice; i.e., not guilty.
 
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King David’s transgressions were forgiven; especially his coercive adultery with Bathsheba and sending her husband Uriah to die in battle. This is the backstory to Psalms 51 that a poster mentioned earlier. See 2 Samuel 11, 2 Samuel 12, & read Psalms 51.
 
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When your are forgiven, does this just mean that God will let you into heaven, or is it also a tangible experience that can be experienced now when you are born again?

I've done some bad things, e.g. when I was in school me and some others teased a boy and he hung himself that night.
As an adult I went to prison for hitting somebody, he suffered brain damage.
There have been lots of things...

What is it like to be forgiven?

I feel heavy in my heart at times. As I get older, I feel more understanding of what I've done and it just feels sadder..
The guy I hit survived, but he died a few years ago. I wonder about his family, his mother.

As a Buddhist... are you drawn to the gospel of gentiles?
Or are you drawn to the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven?
 
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King David’s transgressions were forgiven; especially his coercive adultery with Bathsheba and sending her husband Uriah to die in battle. This is the backstory to Psalms 51 that a poster mentioned earlier. See 2 Samuel 11, 2 Samuel 12, & read Psalms 51.

There is no forgiveness without repentance.
This is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
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When your are forgiven, does this just mean that God will let you into heaven, or is it also a tangible experience that can be experienced now when you are born again?

Neither. Forgiven means forgiven. The benefit for us here is a free and clear conscience--we are no longer guilty. As far as God concerns the slate has been wiped clean, all debts are canceled, there is no longer any charge or condemnation against you that can stand up in a court of law.

I am, of course, speaking in metaphors, but these are the kinds metaphor and simile the Bible itself uses.

Probably one of the most graphic biblical images for forgiveness is what was called the Jubilee. Every fifty years Israel was commanded to have a Year of Jubilee, on this year all slaves in the land of Israel were given their freedom, all debts were canceled, it was like everyone got a total do-over, a fresh restart for the whole nation.

In the Gospel of Luke Jesus begins His public ministry by reading from the Prophet Isaiah about the grand Jubilee of God that shall come.

"The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is upon Me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives, and release from darkness for the prisoners, to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, and provide for those who grieve in Zion--" - Isaiah 61:1-3a

The New Testament sees in Jesus, by His atoning work, as having inaugurated the fullness of the Jubilee--the new time of freedom, forgiveness, of debts canceled, of slaves and prisoners set free, and a newness from God shall come upon the earth.

Forgiveness includes this language of debt cancellation to signify that whatever stood against us before, whatever condemned us before, whatever held us as guilty before, does so no longer. That canceling of charges against us, of rendering us pardoned, set free, renders the conscience free from guilt before God; and it means reconciliation and peace. We are reconciled and have peace with God. God is now our Father, Christ is our Brother, we have a place in God's House not as strangers, or even servants, but as children and full heirs.

I've done some bad things, e.g. when I was in school me and some others teased a boy and he hung himself that night.
As an adult I went to prison for hitting somebody, he suffered brain damage.
There have been lots of things...

What is it like to be forgiven?

I feel heavy in my heart at times. As I get older, I feel more understanding of what I've done and it just feels sadder..
The guy I hit survived, but he died a few years ago. I wonder about his family, his mother.

Forgiveness, objectively means, God holds nothing against you. Whatever you've done, in fact, anything you might still do is forgiven, actually forgiven. That means that before God you stand a righteous man, a just man. That isn't your justice or righteousness, it is Christ's. The righteousness of Jesus, Jesus' own perfect holiness and goodness and justice, is appropriated to you--it becomes yours, as a gift.

In that forgiveness we have the opportunity to learn how to forgive others, and to seek forgiveness from others. Learn how to love, and be loved. We are given opportunity to make peace and be in peace with each other as human beings. And to learn how to forgive ourselves.

Forgiveness does not mean that we do not still have to make amends, and find forgiveness from our neighbor. Forgiveness does not justify or excuse how we live with one another--that's what loving our neighbor is about. It's about learning how to be actually human to one another. To be human like Jesus is, who gives Himself away in love. We can give ourselves to each other without holding back, because it means we can start trusting one another. That's why good works, and why we speak of sanctification--the daily and life-long process of being disciples, following Jesus, and being loving, caring, kind neighbors.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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When your are forgiven, does this just mean that God will let you into heaven, or is it also a tangible experience that can be experienced now when you are born again?

I've done some bad things, e.g. when I was in school me and some others teased a boy and he hung himself that night.
As an adult I went to prison for hitting somebody, he suffered brain damage.
There have been lots of things...

What is it like to be forgiven?
I agree with everything that other participants wrote. But I'm writing this to say that forgiveness is not cheap.

God suffered and sacrificed his life so that people who believe and repent have forgiveness, a conscience that is free of guilt.

To repent is not to say, "I'm sorry." This is part of it. Going to prison for your crimes is redemptive. Helping the families of those affected is evidence of repenting. They may have children or parents that need help. And living a life of repentance means that we provide kindness to all people.

Baptism is a perfect way to confess that the old person is dead and buried. And that a new person is coming out of water to share in Christ's eternal life.
 
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There is no forgiveness without repentance.
This is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

David repented, this the prophets up to John the Baptist are forms of repentance the Lord fulfills & calls us to in His Gospel ( Matthew 4:16-17).
 
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There is no forgiveness without repentance.
This is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

There is no repentance without forgiveness.
That is the Gospel of the kingdom of our God.

For this reason we pray,

"Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be Your Name, Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our supersubstantial bread, and forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever. Amen."

God's kingdom comes through Him who gives His life as a ransom, a kingdom not of glory and might, but of mercy and love.

Forgiveness freely given.
And because we are freely forgiven, we can confess our sins, we can approach God boldly in His grace, to find true repentance.

Repentance is not a doctrine of the Gospel, but a doctrine of the Law.

We repent because the Law shows us to be sinners.
But what we receive in repentance is pure Gospel: Forgiveness--the free forgiveness of God already for us in Jesus Christ.

Gospel means GOOD NEWS.
If it's not good news for sinners, then it's not Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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"Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be Your Name, Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our supersubstantial bread, and forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever. Amen."
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Repentance is not a doctrine of the Gospel, but a doctrine of the Law.
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Do you think there's no law in Heaven?

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
 
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Do you think there's no law in Heaven?

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17 has no relation to your question, why did you quote it?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Matthew 4:17 has no relation to your question, why did you quote it?

-CryptoLutheran


Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
 
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David repented, this the prophets up to John the Baptist are forms of repentance the Lord fulfills & calls us to in His Gospel ( Matthew 4:16-17).

Yes, David repented. John prepared the straight way and Jesus called them to repent, as well. And so, the New Covenant is the Sure Mercies of David. Do you understand what is meant by Matthew 11:12?
 
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Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

And?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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There is no repentance without forgiveness.
That is the Gospel of the kingdom of our God.

For this reason we pray,

"Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be Your Name, Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our supersubstantial bread, and forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever. Amen."

God's kingdom comes through Him who gives His life as a ransom, a kingdom not of glory and might, but of mercy and love.

Forgiveness freely given.
And because we are freely forgiven, we can confess our sins, we can approach God boldly in His grace, to find true repentance.

Repentance is not a doctrine of the Gospel, but a doctrine of the Law.

We repent because the Law shows us to be sinners.
But what we receive in repentance is pure Gospel: Forgiveness--the free forgiveness of God already for us in Jesus Christ.

Gospel means GOOD NEWS.
If it's not good news for sinners, then it's not Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

Do you think there's no law in Heaven?

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17 has no relation to your question, why did you quote it?

-CryptoLutheran

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

And?

-CryptoLutheran
Let me ask you again:
Do you think there's no law in Heaven?

To the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel
 
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Let me ask you again:
Do you think there's no law in Heaven?

What the Law commands will be our reality; there will be no need for "You shall love your neighbor as yourselves" because we just will love our neighbors.

So I consider the question, for the most part, meaningless.

There will be perfect justice on the earth and for all creation on that future and glorious Day.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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What the Law commands will be our reality; there will be no need for "You shall love your neighbor as yourselves" because we just will love our neighbors.

So I consider the question, for the most part, meaningless.

There will be perfect justice on the earth and for all creation on that future and glorious Day.

-CryptoLutheran

Kingdom Law judges the heart, not just the actions.

Matthew 5:18-20 For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
 
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Kingdom Law judges the heart, not just the actions.

Matthew 5:18-20 For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

This is why when we confess our sins we pray,

"Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved you with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry and we humbly repent. For the sake of your Son Jesus Christ, have mercy on us and forgive us; that we may delight in your will, and walk in your ways, to the glory of your Name. Amen."

-CryptoLutheran
 
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