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[Sketcher]

Nothing inherently sinful or wrong about killing, and participating in cruelty?.
"Thou shalt not kill" applies to ALL animals.

Nope.
"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything." - Gen 9:3

 

[Estrid]

Good day.

As many are aware of, people need to be supporting and investing in organic, pesticide-free, renewable, and sustainable development.

What is the "alternative"? More pesticide-bloody, unsustainable decadence? Think about the word "unsustainable" for just a minute.



Let's consider what we should be doing:

• Eating organic products.
• Buying organic clothing and textiles.
• Only using organic dyes.
• Only using organic fragrances.
• Eating and drinking vegan.
• Wearing vegan clothing.
• Owning vegan furniture.
• Consuming green items.
• Conserving resources / cutting luxuries like pointless travel.
• Supporting this for our children and youths.
• Not giving kids to play with toys & games contaminated by pesticides and hypocrisy.
• Avoiding the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Now what we should not be doing:

• Blindly eating gluttonously.
• Supporting more blindly unsustainable/pesticide-bloody clothing and textiles.
• Wearing pesticide-bloody dyes.
• Huffing pesticide-bloody fragrances (the familiar smell of hairspray which is in everything from soap to beverages nowadays!).
• Eating dead animal meat & milk.
• Wearing dead animal products.
• Owning dead animal furniture.
• Not caring about green items / dismissing "sustainable" as anything worth thinking about.
• Wasting resources / traveling pointlessly.
• Telling children and youth things like "green is [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]".
• Blindly giving kids more toys & games contaminated by pesticides and hypocrisy.
• Indulging in the empty, decadent leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

As you can see, it's a bit of a mouthful to see how people should be living and consuming, ideally, as opposed to how people have already been snared.

It's a sign of the daevil, and no doubt, M & M candies that aren't organic, and breads that aren't organic, and indulgent, hypocritical shirts made with pesticide dyes, and toys & games stained and colored with pesticides, and soap/body wash fragranced with pesticide-stench will be being traded and consumed by the foolish in the 666 satan market of Revelations. For it is the meaning of unsustainable.

So I say:

1. Foods that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
2. Drinks that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
3. Clothing that isn't organic or pesticide-free is evil.
4. Dyes that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
5. Fragrances that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
6. Fabrics that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
7. Threads and strings that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
8. Materials that aren't organic or pesticide-free are evil.
9. Items that have no boast of green, sustainable, recycled, or anything to that effect are liable to scrutiny.
10. Pesticides and senseless killing of the land is evil!

Now, it would be nice if organic was always perfect, but to be sure, "ORGANIC" is not always an indicator that a product is automatically perfect.

Here's what organic should ideally mean:

• The compost is vegan (no manure, animal byproducts, meat, or dairy).
• The compost is organic (no Monsanto pesticide compost).
• Pesticide-free.

These are examples of bad or sub-par organic:

• Fertilized with McDonald's pig manure!
• Fertilized with compost based on meat factory waste products, shamelessly repackaged and sold bull crap to artificially cycle money.
• Fertilized with bones, blood, and feathers. ("The skies will rain blood").
• Contains murderous pesticides, anyway, which pollutes the land. Bloodshed covers bloodshed, and so murder for iniquitous Gain (TM) pollutes the land.

There is a certain sentiment that seems to want to be associated with organic, and that is that "natural = good" and "synthetic = bad".
I must disagree with this position.
I would rather have good synthetic than bad natural.
For the daevil deceived both humanity and nature.
And not everyone says "people kill", but it is common thought that "nature kills".
Remember, God's perfect, original life had no death, loss, evil, rot, or decay!

That said, some people have perverted the meaning of "plant-based" and "natural" into a ticket for unchecked Monsanto pesticidal bloodshed. They will tell people that "plant-based" or "all natural ingredients" automatically makes the product flawless, even though it isn't organic. For not even "ORGANIC" is automatically perfect, and moreover, sometimes good synthetic is a better choice than bad natural.

And finally, even on a pesticide-free farm, the way the farm is treated matters.

Consider these passages for kosher harvesting:

"When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am Yahweh, your Elohim." -- Leviticus 19:9-10

“‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am Yahweh, your Elohim.’” -- Leviticus 23:22

What does this mean?

To me, this is a clear set of instructions for how you and your farming team should harvest the crop:

1. Don't harvest the very edges of the fields. You don't have to worry about outcast plants, just leave it!
2. If you aren't sure you should harvest a fruit (gleaning), just leave it!
3. You only have to pass over once!
4. If you drop anything, leave it!

And just from thinking logically about why, it is clear. Follow these instructions to live long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you as a possession. Don't be greedy towards nature or to your fellow human. They need to eat, too. Violating or ignoring these instructions depletes the land, and possibly shows greed or even contempt.


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So many words, so much hyperbole.

Well meaning but poor presentation, sorry-ah.

 

[Estrid]

"Organic" often doesn't mean organic, but it always means that I can be charged more for it.

To a chemist, if it contains carbon it's organic.

Going 100% pesticide free, short term harm, a lot of people
will starve to death.
Long term, more intensive farming of more land makes for
less wildlife habitat, and ftm a lot of hand labor that nobody
will want to do.
There's far far more from the "green" change that could be mentioned.

Ideologs seldom are thoughtful of unexpected consequences

 

[bèlla]

"Organic" often doesn't mean organic, but it always means that I can be charged more for it.

How so? I worked on an organic production farm and saw it firsthand. Getting certified is very involved. We were. Some opt to employ “organic practices” and forgo the designation. There’s explicit things you have to do and documentation which must be maintained to prove compliance.

 

[bèlla]

Long term, more intensive farming of more land makes for less wildlife habitat, and ftm a lot of hand labor that nobody will want to do.

I can tell the difference in the produce. Taste and longevity are the biggest factors. We purchase meat, eggs, some cheeses, flour, flowers, and all fruits and vegetables directly from farmers or the farmers market.

The quality is better. The produce lasts longer. It’s harvested 2 to 3 days before coming to market. That’s what we did. You can’t compete with the freshness. Few things hit the stores that quick.

I worked there for a season to learn homesteading. I have culinary training too. Spotting the differences in taste isn’t hard. Quality ingredients make a better finished product.

I buy my spices from a spice merchant for the same reason. It’s fresh and isn’t sitting in a bottle on a shelf deteriorating every day. Light diminishes them.

The more educated you become about food the better choices you’ll make. You’ll know what you’re getting.

 

[Estrid]

I can tell the difference in the produce. Taste and longevity are the biggest factors. We purchase meat, eggs, some cheeses, flour, flowers, and all fruits and vegetables directly from farmers or the farmers market.

The quality is better. The produce lasts longer. It’s harvested 2 to 3 days before coming to market. That’s what we did. You can’t compete with the freshness. Few things hit the stores that quick.

I worked there for a season to learn homesteading. I have culinary training too. Spotting the differences in taste isn’t hard. Quality ingredients make a better finished product.

I buy my spices from a spice merchant for the same reason. It’s fresh and isn’t sitting in a bottle on a shelf deteriorating every day. Light diminishes them.

The more educated you become about food the better choices you’ll make. You’ll know what you’re getting.

All very true.

As is what I said.

 

[Robban]

Nothing inherently sinful or wrong about killing, and participating in cruelty?.
"Thou shalt not kill" applies to ALL animals. ALL animals are Gods' children, all are worthy of life and their families. Animals are degraded by our human language and called "meat", just as some human animals have been degraded and labeled "slaves". 70 Billion animals slaughtered every year for 7 billion humans to eat; it is an ongoing Satanic ritual bloodbath sacrifice that all omnivore humans participate in at every meal. The horror, suffering, and blood in slaughterhouses attracts evil spirits. You support Satan with every dead animal you consume.
Human animals were designed by God as herbivores, clearly stated in Genesis. Our comparative anatomy clearly shows the foods our loving creator meant for us to eat. Carnivore and omnivore animals all have claws, fangs, a short intestine, have the ability to detoxify vitamin A from their body, and to make vitamin C. Humans have non of these traits. Yet humans have been habitual and addicted to eating the dead for thousands of years. Addicted to the stimulation of eating animal hormones, including estrogen. (No human animal needs any hormones from another animal!!!). Addicted to their suffering and pain, addicted to consuming and assimilating their adrenaline, and stress hormones. These are drugs, unnatural stimulants to our human body mind and spirit. And the animals have their revenge as humans come down with heart disease, diabetes, cancers, clogged arteries, arthritis, lupus, E.D., from eating their cadavers loaded with saturated fats.
Honor the temple you live in by eating Gods' plants, not the animal parts that create dis-eases and illness in your body with every meal.
Please take the time to look at this page below, and watch these documentaries to learn more. "Forks over knives", "Cowspiracy", and the very graphic "Earthlings".
Mango the Raw Vegan Fruitarian: Comparative Anatomy of Carnivores, Omnivores, Herbivores, Frugivores and Humans ..
Peace and love, rachel

You would have a hard time trying to find where it says.

"Thou shall not kill."

 

[jayem]

• Owning vegan furniture

I’ve never heard the term vegan applied to furniture. I suppose nearly all of the furniture in my house is vegan. The various pieces are wood, metal, and glass. The seating upholstery is nylon or cotton. But we do have several wool rugs. (Which is a product stolen from an animal.) And I confess to having 2 leather desk chairs, and a (high quality) reproduction Eames chair and ottoman. Which is my favorite and I’m not giving up.

 

[Sketcher]

How so? I worked on an organic production farm and saw it firsthand. Getting certified is very involved. We were. Some opt to employ “organic practices” and forgo the designation. There’s explicit things you have to do and documentation which must be maintained to prove compliance.

The campaign for organic food is a deceitful, expensive scam
Obviously, how good it is will be variable. But I don't see the value in paying extra for food that isn't better for me.

 

[bèlla]

The campaign for organic food is a deceitful, expensive scam

You have an article and I planted seed that produced a harvest with old school techniques, equipment, and natural soil amendments. I make no claims about the things on your shelves. That’s for the masses.

If you have the means you can forgo the stores for better products.

 

[bèlla]

But we do have several wool rugs. (Which is a product stolen from an animal.) And I confess to having 2 leather desk chairs, and a (high quality) reproduction Eames chair and ottoman.]

Wool rugs are toasty in the winter and leather is ideal for furniture. Especially with little ones.

 

[Sketcher]

You have an article and I planted seed that produced a harvest with old school techniques, equipment, and natural soil amendments. I make no claims about the things on your shelves. That’s for the masses.

If you have the means you can forgo the stores for better products.

Oh, home grown is usually going to be best, I have no question about that. What I'm talking about is comparing store prices between products that claim to be organic vs their counterparts that do not.

 

[Estrid]

Wool rugs are toasty in the winter and leather is ideal for furniture. Especially with little ones.

Eeewweehh, toasty floor here in the tropics!!

My floor is marble tile, so cool for my feet!
Favourite chair is carved teak with green marble for
seat and back!
Feels so good after coming in from the hot hot day.

 

[bèlla]

Oh, home grown is usually going to be best, I have no question about that. What I'm talking about is comparing store prices between products that claim to be organic vs their counterparts that do not.

We hand harvested everything and used no machinery. The work is labor intensive and time consuming. Conventional agriculture is easier.

There’s also the issue of waste. Everything that comes out of ground isn’t pretty. Organic farmers sell them as-is or seconds. They would be given away, destroyed, or sold to merchants that specialize in imperfect produce by conventionals. A recent phenomenon that didn’t exist. Uniformity matters for them.

 

[bèlla]

Eeewweehh, toasty floor here in the tropics!!

My floor is marble tile, so cool for my feet!
Favourite chair is carved teak with green marble for
seat and back!
Feels so good after coming in from the hot hot day.

I live in a cold climate and see no need to suffer! I also have 9 floor to ceiling windows in a skyscraper with a lake effect. It gets cold.

 

[Estrid]

I live in a cold climate and see no need to suffer! I also have 9 floor to ceiling windows in a skyscraper with a lake effect. It gets cold.

I lived in NYC and learned that I am not made for a cold Climate!
Weather here is perfect for me.

Lake effect...a Great Lake?

 

[renniks]

Think less about veganism then..

Now, I want you all to be vegan. I want half or more of the church to be vegan -- but I would much rather you all eat organic foods.

For vegan eating dignifies animals, but organic eating saves whole lands from poisoning.

Actually not so much. Often organic is just a buzz word that means little. And it's almost impossible to fertilize without animal products. And nothing wrong with manure anyway, why waste it?
And often organic takes twice as much land for the same amount of crops, so isn't as efficient.
I say eat meat and thank God for it!
It's too much trouble to try and get enough protein from other sources.
I had a vegetarian friend.
She was the only truly white person I ever met.
I prefer pigment in my skin myself.

 

[bèlla]

I lived in NYC and learned that I am not made for a cold Climate!
Weather here is perfect for me.

Lake effect...a Great Lake?

I couldn’t handle it either. Too much snow!

Yes. Facing the lake. Lots of wind too.

 

[bèlla]

Actually not so much. Often organic is just a buzz word that means little. And it's almost impossible to fertilize without animal products.

You can fertilize with bone meal, blood meal, or enrich the soil with a compost tea. We didn’t use manure.

 

[Abaxvahl]

Nothing inherently sinful or wrong about killing, and participating in cruelty?.
"Thou shalt not kill" applies to ALL animals. ALL animals are Gods' children, all are worthy of life and their families. Animals are degraded by our human language and called "meat", just as some human animals have been degraded and labeled "slaves". 70 Billion animals slaughtered every year for 7 billion humans to eat; it is an ongoing Satanic ritual bloodbath sacrifice that all omnivore humans participate in at every meal. The horror, suffering, and blood in slaughterhouses attracts evil spirits. You support Satan with every dead animal you consume.

No it doesn't apply, God Himself requested the sacrifice of animals, millions and millions, even until the priests in the Temple were up to their ankles in the blood. It was in effect a slaughterhouse.