Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[tall73]

Self explanatory see post # 715 linked

It is not at all self explanatory.

Do you think some of the 611 or 613 commandments are also required of us?

And if so, why do you say no such statement was made about them?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Oh it is not a distraction at all. I am only in this thread because you would not answer the other poster. I posted Ellen White's answer since you won't answer.

Well perhaps we have different understanding of what a distraction is. For me when we are discussing scripture and someone wants to go off and make arguments in a discussion that no one is arguing about and we are all in agreement to me that is simply a distraction to what has already been shared within the scriptures. Secondly when we are discussing the scriptures in detail and someone wants to leave the discussion of the scriptures to talk about off topic content outside of the scriptures not relevant to what we were talking about to me that is also simply an off topic distraction. Of course you are entitled to your view but I guess you can tell I do not agree with you. So we will agree to disagree.

 

[tall73]

Well perhaps we have different understanding of what a distraction is. For me when we are discussing scripture and someone wants to go off and make arguments in a discussion that no one is arguing about and we are all in agreement to me that is simply a distraction to what has already been shared within the scriptures. Secondly when we are discussing the scriptures in detail and someone wants to leave the discussion of the scriptures to talk about off topic content outside of the scriptures not relevant to what we were talking about to me that is also simply an off topic distraction. Of course you are entitled to your view but I guess you can tell I do not agree with you. So we will agree to disagree.

I am in this thread because MMX could not figure out why you kept posting about how he would be damned if he rejected God's word. But when he asked you if he would be damned if he rejected Adventist teaching on the Sabbath you played it off.

And no, it is not a distraction. Your entire posting style is that people must accept God's word or they have the dead faith of devils, will be in darkness, etc.

So why won't you answer him directly? Will he be lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

 

[tall73]

Can we know God's truth Brian if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says in your view? According to James this is the dead faith of devils in James 2:17-26.

So if he has the dead faith of devils, what will be his fate?

Why won't you say it? Will he be lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It is not at all self explanatory.
Do you think some of the 611 or 613 commandments are also required of us?
And if so, why do you say no such statement was made about them?

We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. Do you make animal sacrifices through the Levitical Priesthood in an earthly Sanctuary? Let's cut to the chase here. We know that the Mosaic laws for remission of sins written in the book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) were all prophetic in nature pointing to the coming of Jesus as the promised Messiah and His role under the new covenant as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and His new role as our great high Priest who now ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary of which the earthly was only a copy that the Lord pitched and not man. These of course all being fulfilled and continued in in Christ under Gods' new covenant promises *see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-25; Hebrews 10:1-22.

Where as Gods' 10 commandments including God's "seventh day" Sabbath which is the 4th commandments has the same role under the new covenant that it always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral right doing) and righteousness (moral right doing). *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement for Christian living (scripture support here). According to James if we show partiality in keeping God's 10 commandments and keep some while breaking others we stand guilty before God of breaking the maw in James 2:10-11. This is important for our understanding of the scriptures because Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.

There is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says that God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and his Word to break his commandments. Now we know in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he calls all men every where to believe and follow what his Word says (Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31). If at this time after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we then choose to turn away from Gods Word in order to continue or fall back into known unrepentant sin according to Hebrews 10:26-31 there remains then no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come which shall devour the adversaries.

So this I guess is relevant to our discussion because it is Jesus who says if we choose to knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead is away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God according to Matthew 15:2-9. The very words of Jesus tell us here that if we choose to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. So if we are not worshiping God by breaking God's commandments who in fact are we worshiping if not God?

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I am in this thread because MMX could not figure out why you kept posting about how he would be damned if he rejected God's word. But when he asked you if he would be damned if he rejected Adventist teaching on the Sabbath you played it off. And no, it is not a distraction. Your entire posting style is that people must accept God's word or they have the dead faith of devils, will be in darkness, etc. So why won't you answer him directly? Will he be lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

Goodness please post me a link where I ever said any such things and if I have never said anything such thing why are you pretending that I did? Now while we are here let me ask you a question. If someone who professes to be a Christian is living in a life of known unrepentant sin (for example living in adultery) are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So if he has the dead faith of devils, what will be his fate? Why won't you say it? Will he be lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

Tell me can you be saved if you have no faith and do not believe and follow God's Word according to the scriptures?

 

[Servus]

Let's stop the nonsense Brian.
You show me from the scriptures I have provided smoke and mirrors and tell me do those commandments from the 10 commandments quoted by Paul in Romans 13:8-10 show us our duty of love to our fellow man by summing up those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us how we love our neighbor as our self? The smoke and mirror of distraction are your side not mine.teaching.

Show you from the scriptures you provided is a non-sequitur and you know it. Because as gets pointed out each time you use this tactic - the issue isn't with the scriptures and never was. The issue has always been with your unorthodox eisegetical preaching and teaching.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Show you from the scriptures you provided is a non-sequitur and you know it. Because as gets pointed out each time you use this tactic - the issue isn't with the scriptures and never was. The issue has always been with your unorthodox eisegetical preaching and

Brian there is no need to be upset here. Providing false accusations unsupported by evidence does not really help your cause here or the discussion. Are you able to prove your claims from the scriptures and provide evidence for your claims? Nope. If you can't all you have are your words arguing the scriptures that have been shared with you. Now what is it from the scriptures that have been shared with you Brian that you disagree with and why and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me? Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God. I have only shared the scriptures with you that are Gods Words not mine. Brian I only share Gods Word here because I care about everyone here and so does God. These are not my words but Gods. My prayer is that you might receive them and be blessed.

Take Care Brian.

 

[Servus]

Really? More false accusations Brian unsupported by evidence? Perhaps you can prove your claims from the scriptures? If you can't all you have are your words arguing against Gods Words that have been shared with you. Now what is it from the scriptures that have been shared with you Brian that you disagree with and why and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me? Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God. I have only shared the scriptures with you that are Gods Words not mine.

If a doctrine is unorthodox (as yours plainly is since it clams orthodox Christianity is false), then it's most likely eisegetical. In the case of what you present, in my 50+ years as a Christian, Bible college student and lay-pastor, I don't recall coming across anything more eisegetical, outside of something from a cult. Again, God's Word is perfect, but your heterodox preaching and teaching is full of flawed man-made (and I can name the men and woman who made it) unorthodox doctrine. It seems like you want me to have to keep pointing this out ad-infinitum.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If a doctrine is unorthodox (as yours plainly is since it clams orthodox Christianity is false), then it's most likely eisegetical. In the case of what you present, in my 50+ years as a Christian, Bible college student and lay-pastor, I don't recall coming across anything more eisegetical, outside of something from a cult. Again, God's Word is perfect, but your heterodox preaching and teaching is full of flawed man-made (and I can name the men and woman who made it) unorthodox doctrine. It seems like you want me to have to keep pointing this out ad-infinitum.

Your making assumption unsupported by the scriptures. Now tell me where is the scripture for the man-made teaching and tradition that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? If you have no scripture to support this teaching who's words are you we following God's or mans? This is not very hard we either have scripture that supports our faith or we do not. If we do not then it should be a warning to us especially if it leads us away from God and His Word to break Gods' commandments (sin).

 

[Servus]

Your making assumption unsupported by the scriptures. Now tell me where is the scripture for the man-made teaching and tradition that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? If you have no scripture to support this teaching who's words are you we following God's or mans?

From you I'm seeing clearly eisegetical unorthodox latter-day man-made doctrine.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

From you I'm seeing clearly eisegetical unorthodox latter-day man-made doctrine.

Well the problem you have Brian is that you cannot prove any of your claims and accusation with scripture can you. Then all you have is your words unsupported by scripture disagreeing with the scriptures shared with you while not even able to tell me exactly what it is you disagree with and having no evidence to support your accusation eisegesis. Meanwhile every argument to date that I am aware of in support of the man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship once examined and context has been provided back shows it is your side that is reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach (eisegesis). Lets talk more dear friend why you can prove your accusations with the scriptures. Until then let's agree to disagree. As shown in this thread it is the claim to Sunday worship that is leading many to break God's 4th commandment, "seventh day" Sabbath commandment that is the man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word and no one can deny that fact.

Take Care.

 

[Servus]

Yet you cannot prove these accusation with scripture can you Brian. Then all you have is your words unsupported by scripture disagreeing with the scriptures shared with you while not even able to tell me exactly what it is you disagree with and having no evidence to support your accusation eisegesis. Meanwhile every argument to date that I am aware of in support of the man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship once examined and context has been provided back shows it is your side that is reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach (eisegesis). Lets talk more dear friend why you can prove your accusations. Until then let's agree to disagree.

None of that changes that from you I'm seeing clearly eisegetical unorthodox latter-day man-made doctrine. Plus a whole lot of well rehearsed tactics.

How many more times do you want me to have to keep repeating this?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

None of that changes that from you I'm seeing clearly eisegetical unorthodox latter-day man-made doctrine. Plus a whole lot of well rehearsed tactics.
How many more times do you want me to have to keep repeating this?

Well keep telling yourself that Brian. Yet the fact remains that all I have provided you is God's Word while in response all you have provided is your words disagreeing with the scriptures shared with you while not being able to show me what it is you disagree with when I ask you what it is you disagree with in the scriptures shared with you. Who do you think knows better us or God? I have not rehearsed anything here to you Brian. I think deep down inside Gods' Spirit is talking to you and you can see what I am sharing with you is true. If that is the case lets be careful not to harden our hearts but lets praise and thank God for the light of His Word that is a light unto our path when it is dark and narrow that shows us the way he wants us to go.

Take Care.

 

[Servus]

Well keep telling yourself that Brian. Yet the fact remains that all I have provided you is God's Word while in response all you have provided is your words disagreeing with the scriptures shared with you. Who do you think knows better us or God? I have not rehearsed anything here in to you Brian.

From my perspective you've provided clearly unorthodox eisegetical latter-day man-made doctrine wrapped around God's Word. To quote Hank Hanegraaff (as I recall) "the truth wrapped up in a big fat lie".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

From my perspective you've provided clearly eisegetical unorthodox latter-day man-made doctrine wrapped around God's Word. To quote Hank Hanegraaff (as I recall) "the truth wrapped up in a big fat lie".

Unresponsive repetition that does not respond to or address anything in the post you are quoting from. Let's talk more when your able to prove your accusations with scripture. Until then I wish you well Brian and pray you might receive Gods' Word and be blessed. Ignoring it does not make it disappear according to Jesus in John 12:47-48

Take Care Brian

 

[Servus]

Unresponsive repetition that does not respond or address anything in the post you are quoting from. Let's talk more when your able to prove your claims. Until then I wish you well Brian

Alas, I doubt my completely sincere observation is going to change as long as your clearly unorthodox eisegetical latter-day man-made doctrine remains the same. I wish you well too.

 

[HIM]

Was Jesus speaking to gentiles, or Jews living in Israel?

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All Nations through His Spirit, through them and their testimony.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[HIM]

Also, it's clear from the passage that The aposltes believed the temple's destruction, coming of Christ and end of the age were synonymous. Can you point to where in the chapter Jesus corrects their "misunderstanding"?

Not so. "These things" in the first clause refers to the Temple and then they made a distinctive separation between it, the Second coming and the end of the world by the use of the word "and".
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?