Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

And your arguments skips the part that says "any other commandment". The two do not summarize the ten. The ten, and the whole rest of the law summarize the two.

There is no need because no one is arguing that there are not other scriptures that teach us our duty of love to our fellow man. Your posting a distraction no no one is in disagreement over. So with that out of the way and agreement provided is love expressed in obedience to Gods' 10 commandments or disobedience to God's 10 commandments?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think there is a legitimate discussion with Adventist on the Scriptures and doctrine, but LGW needs to be straight-forward with you.

He lists text after text to say that to reject God's word is to have the dead faith of devils, to be in darkness, etc.

But then when you indicate it sounds like he is saying to reject Adventist teaching will leave you lost he acts like he is not saying that.

And he does this on the basis of saying it is God's word, not Adventist teaching. But he clearly thinks God's word indicates the Sabbath is binding. So he may as well be honest and say if you knowingly reject the Sabbath you are toast, damned, going to hell, lost, or whatever phrase could be added.

Instead he dances around it.

If he disagrees with Ellen White's statement which is seen by Adventists as inspired, and thinks you still could be saved while rejecting the claims of the Sabbath, then he should say that.

I am still waiting to discuss the scriptures with you. Your the one seeking to change the subject matter again here making arguments no one is arguing about in the scriptures not me.

 

[tall73]

Well actions speak louder than words we were discussing what it means to love God you wanted to change the subject matter not me once scripture was being provided.

I was discussing your statement that the two summarize the ten. That is incorrect.

 

[Servus]

Quit dancing around the topic.

Ellen White states that if he rejects the Sabbath he cannot be saved. Do you agree with her or not?

Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

That's mighty unbiblical.

 

[tall73]

No I did not reverse anything. Once again your making arguments no one is talking about. Your not being responsive to my questions, scriptures and posts seeking to change the topic of discussion to something no one is arguing about. My argument is that the two great commandments of love do indeed sum up Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to God and our fellow man by quoting Gods 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. *Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12.

No one has ever said anywhere that there are not other commandments that show us our duty of love to God and man. This is an argument your making that I have never made or disagreed with. This argument also does not make void what Paul, James and Jesus have stated in Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 and Matthew 22:36-40 by quoting those laws in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man.

If there are other commands besides the ten, then why do you keep saying the 10 commandments are our duty?

Are the other commandments not our duty?

If the law and prophets hang on the two, that includes everything in the law and the prophets.

Paul makes this clear when her states verbatim that love is obeying those laws in Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man in Romans 13:8-10 and that after listing those 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor Paul says that the term loving our neighbor as our self is simply summing up what it means to love God by obeying those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us how we are to love our fellow man.

and other commands besides the ten. You keep saying no one is denying other commands. Then you turn right around and refer only to the ten again.

 

[tall73]

And how do you express your love for God? Doing what is right in his eyes not man's eyes. All scripture is profitable not just the new testament like mixed up religion will tell you. The Father gives us many precepts to live by in all acts of life. You can't just say love if you don't know what that looks like. We live by the Word of God not the word of man. God bless you.

Which would involve all the law, and the prophets, all of the Scriptures, old and new, correct? Not just the ten?

Yet LGW keeps talking about the ten as the duty, and says the two summarize the ten.

No, the law and prophets hang on the two. That doesn't mean we just follow generic love. It means all the laws were an application of love to God and man, and flow from that.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I was discussing your statement that the two summarize the ten. That is incorrect.

The two great commandments of love do indeed summarize our duty of love to God as revealed in Gods' 10 commandments. This is what Paul is saying in Romans 13:9....

Romans 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, (that is) THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, IT IS BRIEFLY SUMMED UP IN THIS SAYING, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Take Care

 

[tall73]

There is no need because no one is arguing that there are not other commandments that teach us our duty of love to our fellow man. Your posting a distraction no no one is in disagreement over.

Your statement that the two are a summary of the ten is a distraction. And I was pointing out it is not true.

The whole law and the prophets hang on the two.

 

[Servus]

I think there is a legitimate discussion with Adventist on the Scriptures and doctrine, but LGW needs to be straight-forward with you.

He lists text after text to say that to reject God's word is to have the dead faith of devils, to be in darkness, etc.

But then when you indicate it sounds like he is saying to reject Adventist teaching will leave you lost he acts like he is not saying that.

And he does this on the basis of saying it is God's word, not Adventist teaching. But he clearly thinks God's word indicates the Sabbath is binding. So he may as well be honest and say if you knowingly reject the Sabbath you are toast, damned, going to hell, lost, or whatever phrase could be added.

Instead he dances around it.

Despite the smoke and mirrors routine, that's what I've concluded myself. Thanks for verifying.

If he disagrees with Ellen White's statement which is seen by Adventists as inspired, and thinks you still could be saved while rejecting the claims of the Sabbath, then he should say that.

I've asked him more than once to be straightforward. So far that hasn't happened.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If there are other commands besides the ten, then why do you keep saying the 10 commandments are our duty? Are the other commandments not our duty? If the law and prophets hang on the two, that includes everything in the law and the prophets. and other commands besides the ten. You keep saying no one is denying other commands.Then you turn right around and refer only to the ten again.

There you go again making arguments no one is arguing about. If everyone is in agreement what is your argument? - You have none. Here let me help the discussion. How does other commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor take away from the fact that those commandments listed in God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man are not summed up in the saying "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself? As posted earlier love is expressed in obedience to Gods law not by breaking Gods' law and Paul is talking about those laws in the 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man.

Take Care.

 

[tall73]

I am still waiting to discuss the scriptures with you. Your the one seeking to change the subject matter again here making arguments no one is arguing about in the scriptures not me.

I pointed out your mistake on the two commandments.

But the statement you are quoting here is about your constant gaslighting of MMX and other posters. You post repeatedly about how those who reject God's word will be lost, their faith is the dead faith of devils etc. . But when they ask if that is what you are saying you deny it.

You better own it if you think that is what God's word says. If the Sabbath is true, can they knowingly reject it and be saved?

Are you actually going to give a warning, or just gaslight and dance around it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Despite the smoke and mirrors routine, that's what I've concluded myself. Thanks for verifying. I've asked him more than once to be straightforward. So far that hasn't happened.

Let's be honest and truthful here Brian. Perhaps you can show me from the scriptures where I have provided smoke and mirrors and tell me do those commandments from the 10 commandments quoted by Paul in Romans 13:8-10 show us our duty of love to our fellow man by summing up those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us how we love our neighbor as our self? The smoke and mirror of distraction are your side not mine.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I pointed out your mistake on the two commandments.

But the statement you are quoting here is about your constant gaslighting of MMX and other posters. You post repeatedly about how those who reject God's word will be lost, their faith is the dead faith of devils etc. . But when they ask if that is what you are saying you deny it.

You better own it if you think that is what God's word says. If the Sabbath is true, can they knowingly reject it and be saved?

Are you actually going to give a warning, or just gaslight and dance around it?

There was no mistake my side dear friend as I never made the argument or the claim that there was not any other commandment or scripture that teaches us how to love God or our fellow man. This was your claim and argument that I never disagreed with or was arguing about therefore simply a distraction to what I was posting. Now if I have never made this argument why are you bearing false witness and pretending that I have? Or maybe you have a misunderstanding of what was posted. I have only posted that God's 10 commandments show us our duty of love to God and our fellow man and that loving God with all of you heart and mind and our neighbor as our self is simply summarizing those those commandments in the 10 commandments on how we love God and our fellow man. What is your argument? You have none. By saying all of the above is not saying that there are no more scriptures that show is how we are to love God and our fellow man. So your making arguments once again no one is talking about.

Take Care.

 

[tall73]

Here let me help the discussion. How does other commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor take away from the fact that those commandments listed in God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man are not summed up in the saying "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself?

All of them together are summed up. But you earlier said the following:

There is no such scripture in regards to 611 or 613.

So explain what you meant.

 

[tall73]

The smoke and mirror of distraction are your side not mine.

He asked and you would not answer. Is he going to hell if he rejects the Sabbath?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All of them together are summed up. But you earlier said the following

The context and the subject matter of Romans 13:8-10 was to those of God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of how we are to love our neighbor as our self so do you agree that love is expressed in obedience to those commandments in God's 10 commandments that show us how we express our love to God and man?

So explain what you meant.

Self explanatory see post # 715 linked

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He asked and you would not answer. Is he going to hell if he rejects the Sabbath?

Please stop with your smoke screen and mirrors Tall. Your the one making arguments no one is arguing about as a distraction to the scriptures being posted not me. The rest of the post you micro-quoted me on went something like this to claims I was providing smoke screens and mirrors...

"You show me from the scriptures I have provided smoke and mirrors and tell me do those commandments from the 10 commandments quoted by Paul in Romans 13:8-10 show us our duty of love to our fellow man by summing up those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us how we love our neighbor as our self? The smoke and mirror of distraction are your side not mine."

So let's be honest with our discussion and be friendly here. I was not making the claim of smoke and mirrors MXX was. I asked him to prove it.

Take Care.

 

[Hezekiah81]

Which would involve all the law, and the prophets, all of the Scriptures, old and new, correct? Not just the ten?

Yet LGW keeps talking about the ten as the duty, and says the two summarize the ten.

No, the law and prophets hang on the two. That doesn't mean we just follow generic love. It means all the laws were an application of love to God and man, and flow from that.

Now Christ being the mediator of the new covenant has revised the law obviously. We don't make animal sacrifices because Christ was the final sacrifice for sin, also now we make spiritual sacrifices, and the rituals of the temple are no longer needed to make atonement because your body is a temple and God's Spirit dwells in you. It's not just the two great commandments, or the ten, it's the total. God bless you.

 

[tall73]

Please stop with your smoke screen and mirrors Tall. Your the one making arguments no one is arguing about as a distraction to the scriptures being posted not me.

Oh it is not a distraction at all. I am only in this thread because you would not answer the other poster.

I posted Ellen White's answer since you won't answer.

 

[tall73]

Now Christ being the mediator of the new covenant has revised the law obviously. We don't make animal sacrifices because Christ was the final sacrifice for sin, also now we make spiritual sacrifices, and the rituals of the temple are no longer needed to make atonement because your body is a temple and God's Spirit dwells in you. It's not just the two great commandments, or the ten, it's the total. God bless you.

We agree, we do not need to make sacrifices as Christ is our sacrifice. And it is all He requires. And the Scriptures spell that out, in both the old and new testament.

God bless you as well.