Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

You seem to have supplied your own statement as coming from me. It did not.

I said that the two great commands are the two principles which all the law are based on, because that is what Jesus said. The law and the prophets hang on those two. That includes the ten, but goes beyond the ten to the rest of the law. You keep talking about only the ten. And when it is pointed out to you, as often happens, you then go back later and say those other laws are not done away with. But then go right back to talking about the ten. The law is more than the ten, and the two commandments are the principles which all the law--and the prophets--hang on.


Love fulfills the law because the law is based on love of God and love of neighbor.

When Jesus says the following He was speaking of more than just the ten, but also includes the ten.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



If there be any other commandments says there are not just ten. There are many besides the ten, all based on love of God and love of neighbor.

If there were just the ten he wouldn't need to mention other commandments.

You may have to fix up the formatting in your post. It is hard to follow and understand what your talking about here. I have only quoted you in my responses to you.

 

[tall73]

You may have to fix up the formatting in your post. It is hard to follow and understand what your talking about here. I have only quoted you in my responses to you.

The law is more than ten.

The whole law and prophets hang on the two great commandments.

In other words, the two great commandments are the basis for all of it. That includes the ten but goes beyond the ten. The whole law is based on love.

 

[tall73]

I have only quoted you in my responses to you.

And then you respond to arguments I didn't make.

The argument I made is that the two do not summarize the ten.

The ten, and the whole law, flow from the principles of the two.

 

[Servus]

Brian, if our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto you says our Lord, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. Do you know these scriptures dear friend and if you do what do you think they mean?

Yes I know them. But I'm not sure what you're getting at with that montage. It seems your method of communication is having to try figuring out what you're trying to say. Cryptic and mystical, but not particularly useful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If there be any other commandments says there are not just ten. There are many besides the ten, all based on love of God and love of neighbor. If there were just the ten he wouldn't need to mention other commandments.

Ok so how does that make it not true that love is not expressed in obedience to Gods' 10 commandments? - It doesn't as the topic and subject matter of Romans 13:9-10 in showing that love is expressed in obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man and Paul is stating that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a summary of obeying those laws in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. Your making arguments no one is arguing about as no one has ever said to you or anyone else that there are not other commandments the show our duty to love.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The law is more than ten.

The whole law and prophets hang on the two great commandments.

In other words, the two great commandments are the basis for all of it. That includes the ten but goes beyond the ten. The whole law is based on love.

Your making arguments no one is arguing about. Do we love God by taking God's name in vain or do we love our neighbor by stealing from them? Then we can also ask the question do we love God by breaking God's Sabbath commandment?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And then you respond to arguments I didn't make.
The argument I made is that the two do not summarize the ten. The ten, and the whole law, flow from the principles of the two.

My argument is that the two great commandments of love do indeed sum up Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to God and our fellow man by quoting Gods 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. *Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12

 

[tall73]

Brian, if our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto you says our Lord, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. Do you know these scriptures dear friend and if you do what do you think they mean?

Quit dancing around the topic.

Ellen White states that if he rejects the Sabbath he cannot be saved. Do you agree with her or not?

Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

 

[tall73]

Ok so how does that make it not true that love is not expressed in obedience to Gods' 10 commandments? - It doesn't as the topic and subject matter of Romans 13:9-10 in showing that love is expressed in obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man and Paul is stating that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a summary of obeying those laws in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man.

You reversed it again.

The laws from the ten are just SOME of those laws that flow from the command to love your neighbor.

Your making arguments no one is arguing about as no one has ever said to you or anyone else that there are not other commandments the show our duty to love.

And those other commandments, and those in the ten, all hinge upon the two. Therefore the two are not a summary of the ten, but the ten and the rest of the law are summed up in the two.

the two are the principles, the ten and the rest of the commands are the application.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Quit dancing around the topic.

Ellen White states that if he rejects the Sabbath he cannot be saved. Do you agree with her or not?

Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

Oh here we go again run away from the scriptures and discussion we are talking about. Seems to be a regular pattern with in this thread every time scripture is discussed. Sorry not playing that game again with you.

 

[tall73]

Your making arguments no one is arguing about. Do we love God by taking God's name in vain or do we love our neighbor by stealing from them?

No to either point. Do we love our neighbor by engaging in sexual relations with our close relations?

That is not in the ten, but still derived from the two.

 

[tall73]

Oh here we go again run away from the scriptures and discussion we are talking about. Seems to be a regular pattern with in this thread every time scripture is discussed. Sorry not playing that game again with you.

No, you are playing a game with the other poster.

Adventists teach that those who reject the claims of the Sabbath, having understood those claims, will not be saved. That is after the sabbath test went out in the seventh month of 1844.

 

[Servus]

It is hard to follow and understand what your talking about here.

Welcome to my world

 

[tall73]

My argument is that the two great commandments of love do indeed sum up Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to God and our fellow man by quoting Gods 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. *Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12

And your arguments skips the part that says "any other commandment".

The two do not summarize the ten.

The ten, and the whole rest of the law summarize the two.

 

[Servus]

Oh here we go again run away from the scriptures and discussion we are talking about. Seems to be a regular pattern with in this thread every time scripture is discussed. Sorry not playing that game again with you.

The issue isn't with the scripters, the problem is with the doctrine. You and the others put up a mighty wall to avoid talking about the doctrine itself, much less its author.

But I suppose since part of the gimmick is that all other Christians follow man-made teaching, doctrine and tradition, you can't every well acknowledge that the teaching, doctrine and tradition you follow is also clearly man-made. Created and founded by Ellen White May 21, 1863, Battle Creek, MI.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No to either point. Do we love our neighbor by engaging in sexual relations with our close relations? That is not in the ten, but still derived from the two.

Well actions speak louder than words we were discussing what it means to love God you wanted to change the subject matter not me once scripture was being provided.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You reversed it again. The laws from the ten are just SOME of those laws that flow from the command to love your neighbor. And those other commandments, and those in the ten, all hinge upon the two. Therefore the two are not a summary of the ten, but the ten and the rest of the law are summed up in the two. the two are the principles, the ten and the rest of the commands are the application.

No I did not reverse anything. Once again your making arguments no one is talking about. Your not being responsive to my questions, scriptures and posts seeking to change the topic of discussion to something no one is arguing about. My argument is that the two great commandments of love do indeed sum up Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to God and our fellow man by quoting Gods 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. *Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12.

No one has ever said anywhere that there are not other commandments that show us our duty of love to God and man. This is an argument your making that I have never made or disagreed with. This argument also does not make void what Paul, James and Jesus have stated in Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 and Matthew 22:36-40 by quoting those laws in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man.

Paul makes this clear when her states verbatim that love is obeying those laws in Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man in Romans 13:8-10 and that after listing those 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor Paul says that the term loving our neighbor as our self is simply summing up what it means to love God by obeying those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us how we are to love our fellow man.

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, (that is) THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, IT IS BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

As posted earlier love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking Gods' law. This is why love fulfills the law. Are you seriously trying to argue that we love God by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments? That interpretation is against the scripture we are talking about above. "If there be any other commandment" is not an argument to Gods' 10 commandments being how love is expressed to God and our fellow man now is it?

As posted earlier do you love God by taking God's name in vain?
Do you love your neighbor by lying and stealing from them?

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No to either point. Do we love our neighbor by engaging in sexual relations with our close relations? That is not in the ten, but still derived from the two.

As posted earlier your making arguments no one is arguing about.

 

[tall73]

The issue isn't with the scripters, the problem is with the doctrine. You and the others put up a mighty wall to avoid talking about the doctrine itself, much less its author.

I think there is a legitimate discussion with Adventist on the Scriptures and doctrine, but LGW needs to be straight-forward with you.

He lists text after text to say that to reject God's word is to have the dead faith of devils, to be in darkness, etc.

But then when you indicate it sounds like he is saying to reject Adventist teaching will leave you lost he acts like he is not saying that.

And he does this on the basis of saying it is God's word, not Adventist teaching. But he clearly thinks God's word indicates the Sabbath is binding. So he may as well be honest and say if you knowingly reject the Sabbath you are toast, damned, going to hell, lost, or whatever phrase could be added.

Instead he dances around it.

If he disagrees with Ellen White's statement which is seen by Adventists as inspired, and thinks you still could be saved while rejecting the claims of the Sabbath, then he should say that.

 

[Hezekiah81]

The law is more than ten.

The whole law and prophets hang on the two great commandments.

In other words, the two great commandments are the basis for all of it. That includes the ten but goes beyond the ten. The whole law is based on love.

And how do you express your love for God? Doing what is right in his eyes not man's eyes. All scripture is profitable not just the new testament like mixed up religion will tell you. The Father gives us many precepts to live by in all acts of life. You can't just say love if you don't know what that looks like. We live by the Word of God not the word of man. God bless you.