Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[Hezekiah81]

Don't worry. I'm not depending on you for anything.

Also I'm not blaming you for anything, it's that man fabricated doctrine you've been fed that I rebuke. God bless you.

 

[Servus]

According to the scriptures, Gods Word is God's Word of truth *John 17:17 and it does not change *Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 13:8. It is only there for us to believe or not believe *John 3:16-20. This is the choice that we all come to. As posted earlier some choose the darkness over the light of Gods Word because they love evil over God's Word while some come to the light of God's Word to see how they may follow God and receive Gods gift of salvation. It is only God's Word however that shows us the way when the road is dark and narrow. Gods Word is the map that finds the way. If we lose our map and put out our lamp we are lost according to the scriptures and according to the scriptures if the blind lead the blind they will both fall into a ditch *Matthew 15:13-14. Let's be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Our opinions do not really matter much in God's eyes unless we make our opinion God's Word.

In other words as long as I stick with orthodox Christianity, I'm in darkness.

But if I put that aside and join SDA, I'll be in the light.

You're basically intimating that I'm dammed if I don't accept your doctrine.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In other words as long as I stick with orthodox Christianity, I'm in darkness. But if I put that aside and join SDA, I'll be in the light. You're basically intimating that I'm dammed if I don't accept your doctrine.

Not at all Brian, take the time and re-read the post and the scriptures you are quoting from as it seems you did not understand it. The light and map represents the Word of God. If you lose your map and your light goes out when the road is dark and narrow is a reference to Matthew 7:13-14. Only God's Word is true and you have not provided any for your tradition and teachings which are not biblical according to the scriptures. Can we know God's truth Brian if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says in your view? According to James this is the dead faith of devils in James 2:17-26.

 

[Der Alte]

In case you missed this thanks to @LoveGodsWord
This has already been answered through the scriptures in post 695 linked I am still waiting a response but all I hear is silence. As posted earlier, Gods' 4th commandment is in the two that summarizes the ten according to the scriptures. see Matthew 22:36-40 from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; see Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-11 also Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law and is the new covenant promise written on the heart to love God and keep His commandments. - Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. There is no such scripture in regards to 611 or 613. We should be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says *Romans 3:4 and not follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead many away from following God and His Word according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.
Do you agree with the scriptures provided above?
Hope this is helpful.

Are gentile Christians ever commanded to observe the seventh day Sabbath? Show me one verse, 2 or more would be better, stating that gentile Christians must observe the seventh day Sabbath.
When the first ecumenical church council met Acts 15 to discuss the requirements for gentile Christians, that council enumerated only four requirements, abstain from pollutions of idols, from fornication, from things strangled and from blood. These four requirements are repeated twice in Acts 15 and again once in Acts 21.

 

[Servus]

Not at all Brian, take the time and re-read the post and the scriptures you are quoting from as it seems you did not understand it. The light and map represents the Word of God. If you lose your map and your light goes out when the road is dark and narrow is a reference to Matthew 7:13-14. Only God's Word is true and you have not provided any for your tradition and teachings which are not biblical according to the scriptures. Can we know God's truth Brian if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says in your view? According to James this is the dead faith of devils in James 2:17-26.

That still sounds like since I don't interpret the Bible the way you do, I'm not really saved. That because I follow orthodox Christianity, I have the dead faith of devils.

 

[Servus]

Also I'm not blaming you for anything, it's that man fabricated doctrine you've been fed that I rebuke. God bless you.

Man fabricated doctrine being any doctrine that's not the doctrine you subscribe to? Even though I know the names of the men and woman who formulated that doctrine.

 

[Servus]

Scripture is Gods Word is it not? Accept when it is twisted to say things it does not say through eisegesis (reading into the scriptures what they do not say and do not teach).

To be honest I see quite a lot of that from you folks.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That still sounds like since I don't interpret the Bible the way you do, I'm not really saved. That because I follow orthodox Christianity, I have the dead faith of devils.

Not really Brain I have said no such thing. Only God's Word has been shared with you showing that it is the map that shows us the direction we are traveling in and the light that shines the way when the road is dark and narrow. If you feel convicted by Gods' Spirit when you read Gods' Word then that is between you and God not me and you. We should however be careful not to harden our heart to hearing and seeing Gods' Word and following what Gods Word says. It is the light the lights the way. There is no other way outside of Gods' Word.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

To be honest I see quite a lot of that from you folks.

Yet all you have are your words and false accusations you cannot prove from the scriptures. Only God's Word is true and shows the way and you have provided none except false claims and accusations your not able to prove with scripture. Our opinions do not really matter much in Gods' eyes if they are not supported by the scriptures. Only Gods Word is true therefore according to the scriptures and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Now let me ask you again what is it in the scripture that have been shared with you here that you disagree with and why and if I have only shared Gods' Word with you what is it that you do not believe?

 

[Servus]

Not really Brain I have said no such thing. Only God's Word has been shared with you showing that it is the map that shows us the direction we are traveling in and the light that shines the way when the road is dark and narrow. If you feel convicted by Gods' Spirit when you read Gods' Word then that is between you and God not me and you. We should however be careful not to harden our heart to hearing and seeing Gods' Word and following what Gods Word says. It is the light the lights the way. There is no other way outside of Gods' Word.

Take Care.

You say "not really, I said no such thing" but that's what I've been seeing. And as I recall there's been several occasions where I've seen the "I didn't say that" scenario take place. Maybe you have trouble saying what you really mean, so it sounds like you're saying something else. Maybe if you wrote in a more straightforward ordinary manner, like I'm doing, you'd be easier to understand.

 

[tall73]

As posted earlier, Gods' 4th commandment is in the two that summarizes the ten according to the scriptures. see Matthew 22:36-40 from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18

You have it backwards. The two don't summarize the ten. All of the law AND the prophets hang on the two, including the ten.

The two are the baseline principles the others flow from:

Mat 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the great and first commandment.
Mat 22:39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ As posted earlier, Gods' 4th commandment is in the two that summarizes the ten according to the scriptures. see Matthew 22:36-40 from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18

Your response...

You have it backwards. The two don't summarize the ten. All of the law AND the prophets hang on the two, including the ten.

The two are the baseline principles the others flow from:

Mat 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the great and first commandment.
Mat 22:39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Not at all. According to the scriptures the two great commandments of love to God and love to our fellow man do indeed summarize the 10 commandments. The first four commandments are our duty of love to God. While the second six are our duty of love to our fellow man. We are in the new covenant now not the old.

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

The two great commandments of love to God and man do indeed summaries the 10. According to the scriptures love is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. Of course we know that we are also talking about Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7.

Take Care.

 

[tall73]

Your response...

According to the scriptures the two great commandments of love to God and love to our fellow man do indeed summarize the 10 commandments. The first four commandments are our duty of love to God. While the second six are our duty of love to our fellow man. We are in the new covenant now not the old.

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET;

You quoted it yourself:

and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.

Any other commandment--you know, out of the many commandments, besides just the ten.

But apart from that, the two are the ones the whole law and the prophets hang on, not the other way around.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Note what he says next:

and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.

Any other commandments. You know, out of the many commandments.

But apart from that, the two are the ones the whole law and the prophets hang on, not the other way around.

As posted earlier perhaps you missed it. Paul in Romans 13:8-10 is saying here that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a way of summing up those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man.

"[9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking Gods' law. This is why love fulfills the law.

Take Care.

 

[tall73]

As posted earlier perhaps you missed it. Paul in Romans 13:8-10 is saying here that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a way of summing up those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man.

Incorrect. He says the commandments in the ten, AND ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT are summed up in love your neighbor as yourself.

And they are summed up in that commandment, because that is the principle they flow from.

Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Incorrect. He says the commandments in the ten, AND ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT are summed up in love your neighbor as yourself.
And they are summed up in that commandment, because that is the principle they flow from.
Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

No, it is you who is incorrect but allow me to explain why by getting you to think about some questions...

Do you love God by taking Gods' name in vain?
Do you love your neighbor by stealing from them?

You have missed the point the scripture says...

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

As posted earlier love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking Gods' law. This is why love fulfills the law. Are you seriously trying to argue that we love God by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments? That interpretation is against the scripture we are talking about above. "If there be any other commandment" is not an argument to Gods' 10 commandments being how love is expressed to God and our fellow man now is it?

Take Care.

 

[Servus]

Yet all you have are your words and false accusations you cannot prove from the scriptures. Only God's Word is true and shows the way and you have provided none except false claims and accusations your not able to prove with scripture. Our opinions do not really matter much in Gods' eyes if they are not supported by the scriptures. Only Gods Word is true therefore according to the scriptures and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Everything you just wrote are your words, your observation and opinion. Just because you added "*Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29" into your speech doesn't make it God's Word. They're still your words wrapped around a few verse links.

Now let me ask you again what is it in the scripture that have been shared with you here that you disagree with and why and if I have only shared Gods' Word with you what is it that you do not believe?

You mean again, and again, and again. And again I'll give basically the same response; there's nothing in the scripture itself that I disagree with. It's the eisegetical twisting of scripture to fit into a latter-day unorthodox doctrine that I disagree with.

Now I've made it clear many times already that I don't disagree with or disbelieve what's said the scripture link tags you insert into your preaching ie "*Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29"..... It's your own words and eisegetical twisting of scripture to fit into a latter-day unorthodox doctrine that I disagree with.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Everything you just wrote are your words, your observation and opinion. Just because you added "*Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29" into your speech doesn't make it God's Word. They're still your words wrapped around a few verse links.



You mean again, and again, and again. And again I'll give basically the same response; there's nothing in the scripture itself that I disagree with. It's the eisegetical twisting of scripture to fit a latter-day unorthodox doctrine that I disagree with.

Now I've made it clear many times already that I don't disagree with or disbelieve what's said the scripture link tags you insert into your preaching ie "*Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29"..... It's your own words and eisegetical twisting of scripture to fit a latter-day unorthodox doctrine that I disagree with.

Brian, if our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto you says our Lord, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. Do you know these scriptures dear friend and if you do what do you think they mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's your own words and eisegetical twisting of scripture to fit into a latter-day unorthodox doctrine that I disagree with.

Another claim and accusation that you have never been able to prove from scripture when scripture (Gods Word) has been provided to you that disagrees with your teachings. Only God's Word is the standard of truth according to the scriptures *John 17:17 and you have not provided any so your argument is not with me dear friend so we will of course agree to disagree.
Take Care.

 

[tall73]

No, it is you who is incorrect but allow me to explain why buy getting you to think about some questions...

Do you love God by taking Gods' name in vain?
Do you love your neighbor by stealing from them?

You have missed the point the scripture says...

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is BRIEFLY SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

As posted earlier love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking Gods' law. This is why love fulfills the law. Are you seriously trying to argue that we love God by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments?

You seem to have supplied your own statement as coming from me. It did not.

I said that the two great commands are the two principles which all the law are based on, because that is what Jesus said. The law and the prophets hang on those two. That includes the ten, but goes beyond the ten to the rest of the law. You keep talking about only the ten. And when it is pointed out to you, as often happens, you then go back later and say those other laws are not done away with. But then go right back to talking about the ten. The law is more than the ten, and the two commandments are the principles which all the law--and the prophets--hang on.


Love fulfills the law because the law is based on love of God and love of neighbor.

When Jesus says the following He was speaking of more than just the ten, but also includes the ten.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If there be any other commandment" is not an argument to Gods' 10 commandments being how love is expressed to God and our fellow man now is it?

If there be any other commandments says there are not just ten. There are many besides the ten, all based on love of God and love of neighbor.

If there were just the ten he wouldn't need to mention other commandments.