Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[Servus]

In my opinion from reading the scriptures, people only seek to talk about EGW as a distraction when confronted with scripture that disagrees with their teachings and traditions they cannot support in the scriptures. This is nothing new however agreeing with what Jesus has already told us in John 3:18-20 where it is written "He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." We should therefore not be afraid to come to the light of God's Word as it is the only light that shines the way when the road is dark and narrow (see Matthew 7:13-14; Psalms 119:105).

The premise of your denomination is that all the others follow the teachings of man. I'm pointing out that yours does too. Ironically to a greater extent than most others. As to the rest of your post, I've read that before, from you and others. The problem with going by scripted apologetics / protolyzing is eventually you run out of material and start posting reruns. And of course it makes you all sound alike.

 

[parousia70]

The one scripture you provided does not tell us that Sunday is a holy day to us or to God. The disciples broke bread daily Acts 2:46 but God did not deem everyday was holy.

Feel free to make a case though scripture.

In 1 Corinthians 10:16 "breaking bread" is called "communion of the body of Christ." Acts 20:7 says that Sunday was the day the christians would "gather for the breaking of bread." Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11:20 notes that the Lord's Supper was the very event the Christians would GATHER FOR. Also, Jesus miraculously made himself known to the believers on the road to Emmaus in the breaking of the bread (Luke 24:30-31,35)---on Sunday.

The list of items at Acts 2:42 has to do with their religious practices/beliefs. Normal eating and drinking is distinct from the Lord's Supper, as Paul explicitly states at 1 Cor 11:20-22.

The Scripture commands us to hear the church (Matt 18:17; St. Luke 10:16) and to hold fast the traditions of the apostles (2 Thess 2:15). This is precisely what the early Christians did. This is precisely what God expects of all his people today.

The christians gathered themselves together on Sunday for the Lord's Supper. This practice begins with the apostles and then was constantly practiced and taught by Christians of the first three centuries, and maintained by both protestants and catholics to this very day. Early christians had LIBERTY to continue to follow Jewish customs for Saturday if they wanted, but such persons would still observe the Lord's Day (Sunday) with the whole Church, for that custom was apostolic and universally practiced.

But in the 1800s, following a failed prediction of the Lord's final return in 1844, a last-days group of Americans, reeling from their prophetic failure and desparate to rebrand themselves as relevant once again, emerged having received a brand new doctrine: a mass boycott of the apostolic Sunday communion observance of the Lord's resurrection. The foremost proponent of this brand new doctrine among early Adventists was retired sea captain Joseph Bates. Bates was introduced to the Sabbath doctrine by a tract written by a Millerite preacher named Thomas M. Preble, who in turn had been influenced by Rachel Oakes Preston, a young Seventh Day Baptist. This brand new message, unknown and unrecognized by the apostles, was gradually accepted and formed the topic of the first edition of the church publication The Present Truth (now the Adventist Review), which appeared in July 1849.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The premise of your denomination is that all the others follow the teachings of man. I'm pointing out that yours does too. Ironically to a greater extent than most others. As to the rest o your post, I've read that before, from you and others. The problem with going by script is eventually you run out of material, and of course you all sound virtually identical.

Not according to the scriptures. According to the scriptures in the very words of Jesus we are not worshiping God if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:2-9. The question then that all of us must answer is who should we believe and follow God or man? If we find our self in a position therefore that is leading us away from God and His Word to break His commandments it should be a warning for us that we are not following what Gods Word says according to the scriptures, therefore agreeing with Jesus and not worshiping God. Therefore only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Our opinions do not really matter in Gods' eyes. It is all about faith in Gods' Word according to the scriptures *1 John 5:4 and the question who do we believe and follow?

 

[Servus]

Not really. According to the scriptures in the very words of Jesus we are not worshiping God if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:2-9. The question then that all of us must answer is who should we believe and follow God or man?

Again, I've already read that before, from you and the others. It's all so scripted it comes off as robotic at this point. I've read the same lines so often it's getting to the point where I know what you're going to say ahead of time. You are following the doctrinal script of a person who claimed to be a prophet. Perhaps unwittingly and or ignorantly, but doing so nonetheless. The only difference I see between you and say a Calvinist in this regard, is that a Calvinist knows and would admit that they are following the teachings of John Calvin.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again, I've already read that before, from you and the others. It's all so scripted it comes off as robotic at this point. I've read the same lines so often it's getting to the point where I know what you're going to say ahead of time. You are following the doctrinal script of a person who claimed to be a prophet. Perhaps unwittingly and or ignorantly, but doing so nonetheless. The only difference I see between you and say a Calvinist in this regard, is that a Calvinist knows and would admit that they are following the teachings of John Calvin.

According to the scriptures, Gods Word is God's Word of truth *John 17:17 and it does not change *Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 13:8. It is only there for us to believe or not believe *John 3:16-20. This is the choice that we all come to. As posted earlier some choose the darkness over the light of Gods Word because they love evil over God's Word while some come to the light of God's Word to see how they may follow God and receive Gods gift of salvation. It is only God's Word however that shows us the way when the road is dark and narrow. Gods Word is the map that finds the way. If we lose our map and put out our lamp we are lost according to the scriptures and according to the scriptures if the blind lead the blind they will both fall into a ditch *Matthew 15:13-14. Let's be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Our opinions do not really matter much in God's eyes unless we make our opinion God's Word.

Take Care Brian

 

[Saint Steven]

(Romans 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Why are you guys so frightened of this question? Very interesting.
(Sabbatarian kryptonite?)

Saint Steven said: ↑
How many laws?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

 

[Saint Steven]

How many laws in this verse?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

Mark 10:19 NIV
You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

 

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[Hezekiah81]

In 1 Corinthians 10:16 "breaking bread" is called "communion of the body of Christ." Acts 20:7 says that Sunday was the day the christians would "gather for the breaking of bread." Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11:20 notes that the Lord's Supper was the very event the Christians would GATHER FOR. Also, Jesus miraculously made himself known to the believers on the road to Emmaus in the breaking of the bread (Luke 24:30-31,35)---on Sunday.

The list of items at Acts 2:42 has to do with their religious practices/beliefs. Normal eating and drinking is distinct from the Lord's Supper, as Paul explicitly states at 1 Cor 11:20-22.

The Scripture commands us to hear the church (Matt 18:17; St. Luke 10:16) and to hold fast the traditions of the apostles (2 Thess 2:15). This is precisely what the early Christians did. This is precisely what God expects of all his people today.

The christians gathered themselves together on Sunday for the Lord's Supper. This practice begins with the apostles and then was constantly practiced and taught by Christians of the first three centuries, and maintained by both protestants and catholics to this very day. Early christians had LIBERTY to continue to follow Jewish customs for Saturday if they wanted, but such persons would still observe the Lord's Day (Sunday) with the whole Church, for that new custom was apostolic and universally practiced.

As communion is verity of God's word your erroneous insinuation that it has displaced the sabbath day of the Lord that God sanctified [not man] is not verity. You have no percipience of what your saying. (Luke 6:5) And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Hezekiah81]

Why are you guys so frightened of this question? Very interesting.
(Sabbatarian kryptonite?)

Saint Steven said: ↑
How many laws?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

I'm not frightened at all but maybe it should concern you that you are not cognizant of what is actuality. God bless you.

 

[Hezekiah81]

How many laws in this verse?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

Mark 10:19 NIV
You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

(Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. [God bless you.]

 

[Saint Steven]

I'm not frightened at all but maybe it should concern you that you are not cognizant of what is actuality. God bless you.

Yet another dodge. Wow.
And then blame it on me? - lol

Saint Steven said: ↑
Why are you guys so frightened of this question? Very interesting.
(Sabbatarian kryptonite?)

Saint Steven said: ↑
How many laws?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

 

[Saint Steven]

(Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. [God bless you.]

That's not helpful either.

The only way you guys can hope to make your doctrine work is to play fast and loose with the definitions. If you actually had to define what laws and what commandments, your whole empire would fall like a house of cards.

 

[Saint Steven]

I'm not frightened at all but maybe it should concern you that you are not cognizant of what is actuality. God bless you.

Actuality. Is that a fancy word for your opinion?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why are you guys so frightened of this question? Very interesting.
(Sabbatarian kryptonite?)

Saint Steven said: ↑
How many laws?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

Well aren't you the funny one. This has already been answered through the scriptures in post 695 linked. I am still waiting a response but all I hear is silence. As posted earlier, Gods' 4th commandment is in the two that summarizes the ten according to the scriptures. see Matthew 22:36-40 from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; see Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-11 also Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law and is the new covenant promise written on the heart to love God and keep His commandments. - Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. There is no such scripture in regards to 611 or 613. We should be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says *Romans 3:4 and not follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead many away from following God and His Word according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Do you agree with the scriptures provided above?

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Hezekiah81]

Yet another dodge. Wow.
And then blame it on me? - lol

Saint Steven said: ↑
Why are you guys so frightened of this question? Very interesting.
(Sabbatarian kryptonite?)

Saint Steven said: ↑
How many laws?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

I don't dodge truth the truth lives in and speaks through me.

 

[Hezekiah81]

Actuality. Is that a fancy word for your opinion?

Steve I love you, but please stop before you dig yourself into a contradictory hole you can't get out of. God bless you.

 

[Saint Steven]

I don't dodge truth the truth lives in and speaks through me.

So now you repackaged "the God card" as "the truth card". Great.
Since when is YOUR OPINION the truth?
Inferring that everyone else's opinions are false.
This one way street is not communication.

 

[Saint Steven]

Steve I love you, but please stop before you dig yourself into a contradictory hole you can't get out of. God bless you.

Don't worry. I'm not depending on you for anything.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yet another dodge. Wow.
And then blame it on me? - lol

Saint Steven said: ↑
Why are you guys so frightened of this question? Very interesting.
(Sabbatarian kryptonite?)

Saint Steven said: ↑
How many laws?
- 2?
- 10?
- 611?
- 613?

In case you missed this thanks to @LoveGodsWord

This has already been answered through the scriptures in post 695 linked I am still waiting a response but all I hear is silence. As posted earlier, Gods' 4th commandment is in the two that summarizes the ten according to the scriptures. see Matthew 22:36-40 from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; see Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-11 also Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law and is the new covenant promise written on the heart to love God and keep His commandments. - Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. There is no such scripture in regards to 611 or 613. We should be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says *Romans 3:4 and not follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead many away from following God and His Word according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Do you agree with the scriptures provided above?


Hope this is helpful.