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Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

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Jesus was on an evangelistic mission in the synagogues. Preaching to lost Sabbatarians. (unless you are claiming they were saved by law-keeping) He wasn't there to observe the Sabbath. It was just a convenient time to find them all together in one place. The same was true of the Apostle Paul in the Acts passage. He was there to reason with and persuade them away from Judaism. (as was his custom)
So now you know what was in the mind of Jesus? Jesus told us He kept the Sabbath and all of His Fathers commandments John 15:10. Jesus demonstrated this by going to the Temple preaching God’s word on the Sabbath. God told us the Sabbath was to be a holy convocation (gathering) Leviticus 23:3

Jesus told us the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:28

Your argument seems to be with the scriptures.
 
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Jesus was on an evangelistic mission in the synagogues. Preaching to lost Sabbatarians. (unless you are claiming they were saved by law-keeping) He wasn't there to observe the Sabbath. It was just a convenient time to find them all together in one place. The same was true of the Apostle Paul in the Acts passage. He was there to reason with and persuade them away from Judaism. (as was his custom)
Really? Where does it say in the scriptures the only reason Jesus was keeping the Sabbath was to preach to lost Sabbath keepers and he was not there to observe the Sabbath? Your doctrine seems to make Jesus a sinner which is not biblical or supported by the bible when the scriptures define sin as the breaking of anyone of Gods' 10 commandment *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7 and not believing and following what Gods' Word says in Romans 14:23.
 
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... The Pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath commandment, but Jesus never sinned. ...
You know what the preparation day is, correct?
Food for Sabbath consumption is to be prepared in advance. The work of food gathering (like the manna see Exodus 16:23) was the most basic violation of Sabbath rest. The disciples were caught red-handed. And Jesus himself by implication. He cited "David and his companions". Quite an admission for a defense.
 
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You know what the preparation day is, correct?
Food for Sabbath consumption is to be prepared in advance. The work of food gathering (like the manna see Exodus 16:23) was the most basic violation of Sabbath rest. The disciples were caught red-handed. And Jesus himself by implication. He cited "David and his companions". Quite an admission for a defense.
They were eating food in the field which was lawful according to the scriptures. See the response of Jesus in....

Matthew 12:1-12
[1], At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
[2], But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day.
[3], But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him;
[4], How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Note you may want to do a study on gleaning laws of the old testament (e.g. Leviticus 19:9-10; Leviticus 23-22; Leviticus 24-19-21 etc).

[9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Hope this is helpful
 
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So now you know what was in the mind of Jesus? Jesus told us He kept the Sabbath...
Chapter and verse please.
Jesus never told anyone to keep the Sabbath. Interesting to read his defense every time he was challenged on this subject. Work on the day of rest is the most basic violation of the Sabbath. What did Jesus have to say about that?

John 5:16-18 NIV
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
 
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You know what the preparation day is, correct?
Food for Sabbath consumption is to be prepared in advance. The work of food gathering (like the manna see Exodus 16:23) was the most basic violation of Sabbath rest. The disciples were caught red-handed. And Jesus himself by implication. He cited "David and his companions". Quite an admission for a defense.

It didn't seem Jesus was all that concerned about keeping the sabbath, which he's the lord of. Quite the opposite in fact. The Pharisees were going on and on about sabbath keeping and breaking, and each time Jesus contradicted them.
 
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Jesus was teaching them about the Sabbath but as you noted...
I noted no such thing.
Please quote the scripture that shows Jesus teaching about the Sabbath. Thanks.
 
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I say if a few Christians want to adhere to OT sabbath and dietary laws, let them.
The problem is that those same Christians will claim that we are in violation.
 
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You know what the preparation day is, correct?
Food for Sabbath consumption is to be prepared in advance. The work of food gathering (like the manna see Exodus 16:23) was the most basic violation of Sabbath rest. The disciples were caught red-handed. And Jesus himself by implication. He cited "David and his companions". Quite an admission for a defense.
It’s not a sin to eat on the Sabbath day as Jesus taught the Pharisees who was accusing Jesus of breaking the Sabbath, but Jesus never sinned and we should not insinuate that He did. John 15:10

The preparation day which is shown in both New and Old Testament was to prepare for the Sabbath, that is how special the Sabbath is to God, We should prepare for God’s holy day by doing our work in six days so we can keep holy the seventh day. This does not include starving ourselves on the preparation day. It’s not a sin to eat and what you seem to be doing is adding the same type of rules and regulations to Gods holy day, like the Pharisees that God did not add. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and a delight. When we keep holy His Sabbath day like reading God’s Word, going to church to learn about God’s Word, prayer with God, we receive the rest in Christ that is such a blessing. Jesus made the Sabbath for us Mark 2:27 and it is meant to be a blessing and a delight. Isaiah 58:13-14.
 
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I noted no such thing.
Please quote the scripture that shows Jesus teaching about the Sabbath. Thanks.

There is none of course or this thread wouldn't be happening. What you'll likely get are some verses put together with a whole lot of interpretation as glue.
 
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I noted no such thing.
Please quote the scripture that shows Jesus teaching about the Sabbath. Thanks.
It’s all throughout the New Testament. Jesus taught the Pharisees that is is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and went to the Temple on the Sabbath day as His custom reading scripture and God’s Word. The Sabbath is mentioned close to 60 times in the New Testament and God laws and Jesus are not at odds with each other, Jesus came to magnify His Fathers laws, not lessen. Lawlessness is not taught by Jesus, this is what man is teaching these days, but Jesus has warning about those who teach the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19 and teaches us to obey God’s laws over traditions. Matthew 15:3-9
 
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You missed the punch line. Man was not made for the Sabbath. (freedom) But what do you claim? (obligation)

You missed the beginning, the Sabbath was made for man and man was made on the six day. The next day was God’s Sabbath day that was made for man.
 
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It’s not a sin to eat on the Sabbath day as Jesus taught the Pharisees who was accusing Jesus of breaking the Sabbath, but Jesus never sinned and we should not insinuate that He did.
Let's review Jesus' defense in Matthew twelve. Where does Jesus say that he was not breaking the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:1-8 NIV
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice", you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
 
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Chapter and verse please.
Jesus never told anyone to keep the Sabbath. Interesting to read his defense every time he was challenged on this subject. Work on the day of rest is the most basic violation of the Sabbath. What did Jesus have to say about that?

John 5:16-18 NIV
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
I respectfully disagree with your teaching but allow me to explain why I disagree from the scriptures. According to the scriptures Jesus told taught us to do good on the Sabbath and taught us what is lawful and not lawful on the Sabbath day and that he is the Lord of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind. Jesus doing God's work on the Sabbath is doing good on the Sabbath and is not the same as doing our own work on the Sabbath which is against Gods' 10 commandments.

Mark 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Matthew 12:7-12 [7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. [9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Jesus also warned His disciples of the destruction of Jerusalem and expected them to continue keeping the Sabbath...

Matthew 24:15-20 [15], When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoever reads, let him understand [16], Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: [17], Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: [18], Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. [19], And woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! [20], But pray you that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day.

Your teachings are not biblical according to the scriptures and have no truth in them.

Hope this is helpful.

 
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Let's review Jesus' defense in Matthew twelve. Where does Jesus say that he was not breaking the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:1-8 NIV
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice", you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Not sure the point you are making here. Are you accusing Jesus of sinning?

Do you even understand why Jesus referenced David in v 3?

Jesus was telling the story of David going to the Temple eating shewbread on the Sabbath when He was really hungry. Jesus is not saying it was unlawful to do so, this was the rules of the Pharisees not God, Jesus was being practical saying it was not a sin for David to eat, just like Jesus was saying it was not a sin for His disciples to eat on the Sabbath.

I hope this help.
 
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It’s all throughout the New Testament. Jesus taught the Pharisees that is is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and went to the Temple on the Sabbath day as His custom reading scripture and God’s Word. ...
None of that shows Jesus teaching Sabbath observance. Never happened.

You have to resort to claims of Jesus "teaching by example". Which is a complete failure in understanding.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Saint Steven said:
I noted no such thing.
Please quote the scripture that shows Jesus teaching about the Sabbath. Thanks.
 
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None of that shows Jesus teaching Sabbath observance. Never happened.

You have to resort to claims of Jesus "teaching by example". Which is a complete failure in understanding.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Saint Steven said:
I noted no such thing.
Please quote the scripture that shows Jesus teaching about the Sabbath. Thanks.

Already answered with scripture. Please see post # 458 linked and post # 475 linked. You seem to be struggling a bit here Steven.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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None of that shows Jesus teaching Sabbath observance. Never happened.

You have to resort to claims of Jesus "teaching by example". Which is a complete failure in understanding.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Saint Steven said:
I noted no such thing.
Please quote the scripture that shows Jesus teaching about the Sabbath. Thanks.
The isolated verses you quote are the Pharisees accusing Jesus of breaking the Sabbath. Jesus said He did not sin John 15:10 and doing so we would all be lost. If Jesus was not breaking the Sabbath like He told us that means He was keeping the Sabbath law. I am not sure what you’re trying to prove, but trying to prove Jesus was a sinner and taught that we should be sinners is not a teaching from the Holy Spirit, Jesus or God.

I will pray for you.

God bless
 
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Not sure the point you are making here. Are you accusing Jesus of sinning?
No, I am saying he was deconstructing the law as he went.
All the books of the Prophets and the books of the Law prophesied until John.
Until John? Then what? (Galatians 3:23-25)

John 1:17 NIV
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:13 NIV
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
 
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