Christian Universalism. What's not to like?

[LoveGodsWord]

And most everyone is in the dark except you of course. And also this is off topic. Let's get back to the topic of, "Christian Universalism. What's not to like?" shall we?

According to the scriptures if a man walk in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world, but if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him. If our lamps have gone out how can we find our way when the road is dark and narrow? Do you know these scriptures dear friend? If so what do you think they mean and how is this relevant to knowing what is true and what is not, what is light and what is darkness?

 

[ozso]

According to the scriptures if a man walk in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world, but if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him. If our lamps have gone out how can we find our way when the road is dark and narrow? Do you know these scriptures dear friend? If so what do you think they mean?

I'm not getting what that has to do with the topic of this thread.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm not getting what that has to do with the topic of this thread.

No one can know the truth of Gods' Word without bringing what they believe to the light of Gods' Word. It is the light that puts out the darkness when it is night and there is no day. A discussion without scripture is a conversation in the night where no one can see where they are going. His Word is the lamp that lights the way but no one can find their way when their lamp goes out when the road is dark and narrow. Therefore a prayerful discussion with scripture is very relevant to this OP would you not say?

 

[ozso]

No one can know the truth of Gods' Word without bringing what they believe to the light of Gods' Word. It is the light that puts out the darkness when it is night and there is no day. A discussion without scripture is a conversation in the night not being able to find your way back home when one is lost in the darkness. His Word is the lamp that lights the way but no one can find their way when their lamp goes out when the road is dark and narrow.

Okay then, address the boatload of scripture in the document the OP presented below:

Hmm said: ↑
https://campuspress.yale.edu/keithderose/1129-2/

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Okay then, address the boatload of scripture in the document the OP presented below:

Hmm said: ↑
https://campuspress.yale.edu/keithderse/1129-2/

No problem. Context in the scriptures provided in the linked document is to those who are "in Christ" not to those who are not "in Christ" and do not believe and follow Gods Word. Therefore the context of these promises is to believers not unbelievers. God's salvation of course is conditional on believing and following what God's Word says. God's salvation is not unconditional to not believing and not following what God's Word says. Unbelief according to the scriptures is sin *Romans 14:23 as is breaking Gods' laws *1 John 3:4. Go and prayerfully check out the scriptures provided in your linked document with what I have shared here with you. There is not one scripture provided in that document that supports the false teachings of Universalism and the lies told by the serpent to Eve in the garden of Eden *Genesis 3:1-5. If you want to bring a specific scripture here for further discussion I am happy to discuss it with you if you have a genuine interest.

Take Care

 

[ozso]

Easy. Context is to those who are in Christ not to those who are not in Christ and do not believe and follow Gods Word. Therefore the context of these promises is to believers not unbelievers. God's salvation of course is conditional on believing and following what God's Word says. God's salvation is not unconditional to not believing and following what God's Word says. Unbelief is sin according to the scriptures *Romans 14:23 as is breaking anyone of Gods' laws *1 John 3:4

You're saying that's the context of Romans 5:18, Romans 10:9, Romans 11:32, Colossians 1:19-20, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 etc?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You're saying that's the context of Colossians 1:19-20, Romans 5:18, Romans 11:32, Romans 10:9, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 etc?

Yes context to the rest of the bible is to those who believe and follow Gods' Word not to those who do not believe and do not follow what Gods' Word says as it is written "He that believes on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeys not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." - John 3:31. According to the scriptures, God has made provision for all to be saved. That does not mean all will choose to be saved and accept the free gift and sacrifice of Gods' dear son for their sins. Without accepting the gift of God's dear son the wages of sin is death according to the scriptures *Romans 6:23 to the wicked who do not believe and follow what God's Word says.

Take Care

(will need to catch up latter getting late my time )

 

[ozso]

Yes context to the rest of the bible is to those who believe and follow Gods' Word not to those who do not believe and do not follow what Gods' Word says as it is written "He that believes on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeys not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." - John 3:31. God has made provision for all to be saved. That does not mean all will choose to be saved and accept the free gift of Gods' dear son.

Take Care

Seems to me you're avoiding tackling those scriptures head on. John 3:31 doesn't negate universalism. Neither does Romans 14:23 or1 John 3:4 for that matter. Everyone who is saved, is saved from being a wicked lawless sinner. Universalism is just saying that all will be saved from that. I suppose a universalist would quote John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself" as one of many examples.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Seems to me you're avoiding tackling those scriptures head on. John 3:31 doesn't negate universalism. Neither does Romans 14:23 or1 John 3:4 for that matter. Everyone who is saved, is saved from being a lawless sinner. Universalism is just saying that all will be saved from that. I suppose a universalist would quote John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself" as one of many examples.

Sure they do in context to what was posted to you. What is it in the posts and scripture shared with you that you disagree with? It is you that is avoiding addressing my posts and scriptures shared with you. Universalism is saying that the wicked are saved without believing and continuing in known unrepentant sin. That is not biblical.

 

[ozso]

Sure they do in context to what was posted to you.

I'm talking about in the context of the topic of this thread. Any other context is out of context.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm talking about in the context of the topic of this thread. Any other context is out of context.

Your post is simply a denial of the scriptures shared with you trying to change topic and subject matter without showing why you disagree. According to the scriptures we should be careful not to ignore Gods' Word because ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. The Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That is between you and God

Anyhow Take Care,

 

[ozso]

Your post is simply a denial of the scriptures shared with you without showing why you disagree. According to the scriptures we should be careful not to ignore Gods' Word because ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. The Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48

You keep preaching, without really addressing the scriptures that have been presented.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You keep preaching, without really addressing the scriptures that have been presented.

Well that is not true. How have I not addressed the scriptures you have presented? You were shown that the context of these scriptures are to believers not unbelievers and also that just because God through Jesus makes provision for the salvation of all mankind from the foundation of the world does not mean that all mankind will choose to accept the free gift of Gods' dear son. I then asked you what is it that you do not believe in the scriptures share with you and you still have not told me. Let me ask you again what is it from the scriptures that have been shared with you so far in regards to your linked article that you do not believe and why (scripture please)?

 

[ozso]

Well that is not true. How have I not addressed the scriptures you have presented? I addressed them and asked you what is it that you do not believe and you still have not told me. Let me ask you again what is it from the scriptures that have been shared with you that you do not believe and why?

Still nothing.

(scripture please)

All the scriptures presented in this thread and in the article presented by the OP.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Still nothing. All the scriptures presented in this thread and in the article presented by the OP.

Tell me what is it in what I have shared with you from the scriptures that you disagree with in regards to your linked article? The OP did not provide any scripture.

 

[ozso]

Tell me what is it in what I have shared with you that you disagree with?

Still avoiding addressing the scriptures posted in this thread and in the article presented by the OP.

If you don't want to do it, just say so.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Still avoiding addressing the scriptures posted in this thread and in the article presented by the OP. If you don't want to do it, just say so.

Still avoiding what? All your posts have been addressed with a response from the scriptures and when questioned as to what your disagreement is, you have not told me what it is you disagree with in my posts and the scriptures shared with you there. Anyhow if your not interested in a discussion just say so. No need to waste any ones time.

 

[ozso]

Still avoiding what? All your posts have been addressed with a response from the scriptures and when questioned as to what your disagreement is, you have not told me what it is you disagree with in my posts and the scriptures shared with you there. Anyhow if your not interested in a discussion just say so. No need to waste any ones time. Tell me what is it in what I have shared with you from the scriptures that you disagree with in regards to your linked article? As posted earlier the OP did not provide any scripture.

Good night, David.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Good night, David.

Ok Good night Brian. May God bless you as you seek Him through his Word.

 

[Andrewn]

Of the 3 main views, eternal conscious torment, annihilationism, and universalism, only 2 of them are possibilities. The one that isn't is universalism. Personally, I like the idea of universalism. But the problem is, the Bible does not support it or even hint at the possibility.

I don't think that UR should be taught as a fact to all people. But one should not reject the possibility. The following passage, among others, convince me that it is a plausible theory:

Php 2:9 Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.