Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[dogs4thewin]

I have no idea what you are saying here.

In other words yes send them home to die. Getting them stable in the hospital does not mean they would be able to survive outside the hospital.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

And everyone isn’t able to get healthcare right now because there aren’t enough resources for everyone, due to the unvaccinated. So what do you propose we do? Just let people die in the hallways and waiting rooms?

Better they die trying to save them instead of sending them home to die. There is no doubt in my mind that we can solve the problem if we try. By we I mean the healthcare professionals and scientists, not myself.

Convincing people to get vaccinated would have been more helpful than pitting the vaccinated against the unvaccinated as Biden did as well as many on this site.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The solution is to figure out how to care for everyone, not send some home to die.

We have that it is called the vaccine. You cannot just make more resources particularly staff appear.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Where is God helping this situation? Obviously the brains he gave us are not solving the problem.

Are they not solving the problem or are not enough people .using them?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Yeah, except most people aren't affluent enough to just be able to get bottled water (which somehow doesn't have fluoride in it as a guarantee?) or be able to get everything delivered to them. It's cliche, but check your privilege.

Typical, question the character of the person instead of addressing the actual argument I was making. That is not my point. Forcing people to take anything into their bodies is unethical.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Typical, question the character of the person instead of addressing the actual argument I was making. That is not my point. Forcing people to take anything into their bodies is unethical.

We are not forcing but do not come crying for help when it backfires on you.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

They waive priority if it is clear they are unvaccinated not because they have any legitimate reason, but because they think they know better. In which case...why even bother going to the hospital, because they clearly don't trust medical professionals...except when it suits them. The selfishness is the problem here

So, that means let them die? You don't get to assume what other people think and then screw them over because of what you think.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Better they die trying to save them instead of sending them home to die. There is no doubt in my mind that we can solve the problem if we try. By we I mean the healthcare professionals and scientists, not myself.

Convincing people to get vaccinated would have been more helpful than pitting the vaccinated against the unvaccinated as Biden did as well as many on this site.

We tried convincing people. We even tried carrots without sticks. When that was not enough more places started turning to sticks.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

There is not a contradiction in saying that you made your bed, you sleep in it and making pleas to actually get vaccinated and wear a mask, because otherwise you treat people's decisions like they don't matter and only focus on the consequences

The ethical thing is to nip this in the bud beforehand, but when you behave in an irresponsible way that has immediate short term consequences in the scale of the pandemic, this is not comparable to the dishonest equivocations of people with heart disease due to poor diet and exercise, because that is far more long term

If they genuinely think they can do better, how is it unethical to expect integrity from them?

This is about preserving society and a collective, this kind of "individualism" is damaging and antisocial and should not be encouraged remotely, but treated accordingly as damaging. It is not lacking compassion if you give someone prior warning on this and then follow through with the punishment anymore than it is cruel to establish reasonable boundaries for a child and then punish them when they break them.

I don't wish death on anyone, but I also am not going to be broken up over deaths that are based primarily, if not solely, on self destructive tendencies that don't respond to any attempts at correction. That's basic karma

If you don't have individual freedom you don't have freedom. In the US we don't value freedom or privacy anymore. If you want true freedom there are consequences as well. This is it, not everyone will do what you want them to do.

Karma is BS and an unethical concept.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

In other words yes send them home to die. Getting them stable in the hospital does not mean they would be able to survive outside the hospital.

I agree, so why send them home? Why do you want them to die?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

We have that it is called the vaccine. You cannot just make more resources particularly staff appear.

I agree the solution is the vaccine. However, if people will not take it then we need a different solution. We cannot do nothing and wait for god to care.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Are they not solving the problem or are not enough people .using them?

God just watches and chooses to do nothing as usual.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

We are not forcing but do not come crying for help when it backfires on you.

I think this is in Matthew chapter 29.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

We tried convincing people. We even tried carrots without sticks. When that was not enough more places started turning to sticks.

No, the government told people what to do. No one Trump nor Biden has gotten in front of the nation and made a case for vaccinations. Biden actually pitted each of us against each other.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I agree, so why send them home? Why do you want them to die?

I do not, however if they will not take the vaccine then it is better more fair for them to die than for them to take up a bed and someone else die because person two could not get treatment.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I think this is in Matthew chapter 29.

Matthew has 28 chapters.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, the government told people what to do. No one Trump nor Biden has gotten in front of the nation and made a case for vaccinations. Biden actually pitted each of us against each other.

They tried education and insentives that did not help enough we get harsher.

 

[dogs4thewin]

God just watches and chooses to do nothing as usual.

God does not just make all problems go away. That does not mean he does nothing.

 

[muichimotsu]

Typical, question the character of the person instead of addressing the actual argument I was making. That is not my point. Forcing people to take anything into their bodies is unethical.

Not when it is for the common good and is applied neutrally while accommodating legitimate exemptions and not just willful selfishness. This is hardly "force" or even "coercion", it's you stretching the meaning so you don't have to do something altruistic and make it all about you instead like a voluntaryist scab.

The point is involved because America is not as great as people want to think, unless you're already affluent or can game the system, many people don't have it as easy as some do who can look at the world through their privileged lens

 

[Hank77]

You will always be free to buy and sell online. Also, depending on your location, you will be able to buy and sell in stores that have fewer than 100 employees.

Businesses with fewer than 100 employees can mandate vaccinations, they just have a choice.