Teacher Resigns After Parent Complains Pride Flag Is "Personal Agenda"

[SilverBear]

Lol who am I bullying? A hypothetical person?

Can't bully someone who doesn't exist.

the kids you call whiny don't exist?

what about the kids traumatized by a flag being taken down? Do they exist or did you just lie and just make them up?

 

[SilverBear]

Obviously I'm not bullying anyone who doesn't exist....but let's pretend that person I was hypothetically describing does exist somewhere (because saying that my words here constitute "bullying" isn't just wrong, it's hilariously wrong)....am I bullying them by stating my opinion?

you are presenting an opinion that belittles and denounces children. so....bullying

Definition of BULLYING

abuse and mistreatment of someone vulnerable by someone stronger, more powerful, etc. : the actions and behavior of a bully

No...no I'm not.

sure you are. you aren't physically attacking LGBT kids with a baseball bat in the bathrooms but you are still demeaning them.

This does segue nicely to the other features of this onerous left wing philosophy that categorizes people as victims based on their identity....and that's the over exaggeration of victimhood....and blatant attacks on the moral character of anyone who disagrees.

attacks like calling them whiny, fragile and saying they need psychiatric help?

 

[SilverBear]

it does sound like it was driven by a personal agenda. The teacher should have sought the correct channels to display the flag and submitted to the request to take it down when asked. Just because you think everyone should support your cause doesn't mean they do and doesn't mean it's appropriate to display in a classroom, even passively. I personally don't take issue to the flag being in the classroom but I do recognize that it's there from a personal agenda and is not a part of the classroom (even if the teacher thinks it should be). the teacher could have found far more constructive ways to spread his message finding perhaps a symbol of inclusion without the sexual message or finding ways to display the flag under the approval of the school. the fact that the teacher has taken this so personally means it was personally motivated.

what exactly in the rainbow flag is sexual?

 

[SilverBear]

Is it the American flag?
Is it a flag of a country that is being studied?
If both questions above are no, is there any relevance to the flag being put up in the classroom for educational purposes for that class i.e. a class that studies different areas of humanity?

that is what the class was about.

If all of the above questions are answered no, it does not belong in the classroom. If one has no problem with it being in the classroom because the teacher is represented by that flag then one should not have a problem with a Christian teacher having a cross up or the 10 commandments up as those represent a Christian, or a teacher having a statue of Buddha on display if they're Buddhist.

Before the school took the facebook page down there was a picture of the infamous flag anyone could look at. It was between an ROTC flag and a poster featuring a cross.

 

[SilverBear]

This is what happens when the left starts pushing for removal of things from a classroom. Which has been going on for a long time before now. Now when someone wants one of the lefts symbols removed, suddenly it's a bad thing. You made the bed, now it's time to lie in it.

you mean like evolution?
Black people?
the handicapped?
After school clubs for minorities?
The dictionary?
The diary of Anne Frank?
The causes of the Civil War?
Family pictures?
Sex Ed?
CRT?
Anti-bullying programs?

oh wait, these are thing the right has pushed to get out of the classroom

 

[Blade]

So we know ALL the students do not believe the same right? Now WHO is this really about? This teacher cares about the students? You don't as a teacher do this.. we know this! 5+ students that like it.. great.. ALL those others hello get a say and you don't say.. I'm keeping it up no matter what OTHER students say.

Yeah not the PARENT.. some kids said something to there parents..those parents spoke up for their kids! So you can see even here where some really stand. Its about the KIDS not some kids vs other kids. Not allow the teacher to put up things he personally likes believes in.. oh put that PICTURE OF JESUS see what happens.. oh then that should be taken down right?

 

[SilverBear]

Yeah not the PARENT.. some kids said something to there parents..those parents spoke up for their kids!

the parent complained that the presence of the rainbow flag would turn his kid gay.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I can't be held responsible for a hypothetical situation involving hypothetical people unable to follow a hypothetical conversation.

The real world keeps me busy enough.

You're a real hypothetical help.

 

[Ana the Ist]

the kids you call whiny don't exist?

I don't know of any kids actually whining about flags.

If you want to assume they exist, I'm fine with that.

what about the kids traumatized by a flag being taken down? Do they exist or did you just lie and just make them up?

Go back and look at the context in which I mentioned them.

If you're struggling to understand it...just point out the part you can't grasp and I'll break it down for you .

 

[muichimotsu]

it does sound like it was driven by a personal agenda. The teacher should have sought the correct channels to display the flag and submitted to the request to take it down when asked. Just because you think everyone should support your cause doesn't mean they do and doesn't mean it's appropriate to display in a classroom, even passively. I personally don't take issue to the flag being in the classroom but I do recognize that it's there from a personal agenda and is not a part of the classroom (even if the teacher thinks it should be). the teacher could have found far more constructive ways to spread his message finding perhaps a symbol of inclusion without the sexual message or finding ways to display the flag under the approval of the school. the fact that the teacher has taken this so personally means it was personally motivated.

The teacher literally asked them, did you even read the story? They didn't prohibit it, they waffled because they didn't want to seem preferential somehow

You don't know it's a personal agenda, first off and an "agenda" of offering support to minorities without excluding the majority is not some sinister conspiracy

LGBTQ is more than sex, you're myopically focused on one thing, to a point that it's more than a bit suspicious, like reaction formation psychologically.

And no, they didn't take it personally by necessity, they chose to leave because it was less of an effort than trying to fix a broken system that clearly has failed LGBTQ students and citizens in treating them like they don't matter

 

[muichimotsu]

There's that attack on character I was just talking about lol.

You think he was accusing you of being a bully? Is that remotely justified by looking at the conversation or are you just scrapping for a forum fight out of insecurities? And that's not a personal attack, that's observing you may have an issue you don't seem to recognize that is hurting the conversation at large

 

[muichimotsu]

Lol who am I bullying? A hypothetical person?

Can't bully someone who doesn't exist.

So the fact that no one specific is involved means you aren't being a bully remotely in this toxic condescension, like everyone that has a problem and brings it up must be whiney, fragile and otherwise weak and not deserving of support except in a way that doesn't put any responsibility on other people to have empathy?

Yeah, that's totally not an excuse by someone that can't see the harm their abusive attitude has on others, because apparently they don't recognize that mental harm is far more subtle and doesn't always manifest immediately.

 

[muichimotsu]

Pointing out the strength of one man does not make a disparaging remark about another man.

I find myself being forced to agree with Ana the Ist on your tendency to make that leap of logic.



I rather understand their struggles because I was able to still see their struggles. I had the same experiences at the same time. I was there, except at that time as a youth, which I understood more fully when I became an adult.

If you think I'm gaslighting, I'd suggest you spend some time listening to black people of the War Generation tell you their stories about life.

It downplays the struggles of one group by pointing to successes of another, which fails to even recognize that the successes you can find are still cherry picked and ignore the vast income inequality within the Asian community that falls through the cracks

You seeing their struggles doesn't follow to understanding them, that's the difference of sympathy and empathy. You can feel bad in a detached way, empathy means you recognize them as like you and don't just assume your perspective is identical in how one responds

Internalized racism is a thing, even black people can work against their own self interests, same as the prototypical self hating Jew in terms of the need to conform and thus being self deprecating.

 

[muichimotsu]

No. I wouldn't call anyone who overcomes adversity "whiny".

I think it's pretty bigoted that you call them victims.

When their experience reflects it, you don't just dismiss it, because that would then be bullying outright by gaslighting

 

[muichimotsu]

No it isn't. The complaint was that the teacher would teach them to be gay.

From the article...

Wallis claims the Pride flag hanging in his classroom was compared to hanging a Confederate flag, and that a parent called the school to complain that Wallis was going to teach their child to be gay.

I originally thought you were accidentally mischaracterizing the complaint...but you've done it so many times now it looks deliberate. It's in both articles and the OP.

Either way the accusation is absurd, because that's not how sexual orientation works and assumes malicious conspiracy from the teacher with no basis besides that they're gay and are displaying a flag associated with gay pride (which is not demeaning to straight people, much as you'd likely claim it is)

 

[Ana the Ist]

you are presenting an opinion that belittles and denounces children.

I don't think whiny is automatically "belittling". Children aren't entitled to a flag....if they think they are, whiny is a fair descriptor.

sure you are. you aren't physically attacking LGBT kids with a baseball bat in the bathrooms but you are still demeaning them.

Oh no....you're mistaken. It's not because they are LGBT whatever. It's not even because they're children. If some straight adults in college are crying over some flag, I promise, I'll say the same thing about them.

And I have.

attacks like calling them whiny, fragile and saying they need psychiatric help?

If you're emotionally distressed over a flag, yeah, you should seriously consider professional help.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So the fact that no one specific is involved means you aren't being a bully remotely

Thanks...you should tell @SilverBear

 

[Ana the Ist]

When their experience reflects it

Whose experience?

And how do you know what their experience is?

Are you just assuming they're victims because of their identity?

 

[muichimotsu]

Is it the American flag?
Is it a flag of a country that is being studied?
If both questions above are no, is there any relevance to the flag being put up in the classroom for educational purposes for that class i.e. a class that studies different areas of humanity?

If all of the above questions are answered no, it does not belong in the classroom. If one has no problem with it being in the classroom because the teacher is represented by that flag then one should not have a problem with a Christian teacher having a cross up or the 10 commandments up as those represent a Christian, or a teacher having a statue of Buddha on display if they're Buddhist.

Even the American flag is not a guarantee of unity: never heard of lyrics that are basically a reference to reclaiming escaped slaves? America is not without any flaw and to act like obedience to some notion of unity that whitewashes that part of history is anything positive and not nationalism is naive. You think every school is required to have some pledge of allegiance, like this is an authoritarian regime that demands submission? Pretty sure you're wrong on both counts

Pretty sure the religious symbols would fall under a more explicit notion of endorsement, which would violate the establishment clause of the 1st amendment. Voicing support for a minority group is not the same as saying, "Here's my faith group's symbol, I'm your teacher and you can't do anything about it," like a petulant child

 

[muichimotsu]

Whose experience?

And how do you know what their experience is?

Are you just assuming they're victims because of their identity?

Nope, because I don't assume one will necessarily fail based on certain traits, but also acknowledge that they have not been treated fairly historically and it isn't just better because you can point to detached stats without context or methodology.

You're doing a fantastic job filling up more scarecrows, because that's not what I claimed. Do you enjoy being dishonest or do you just not care and think I'm too stupid to notice when you state something I never said and merely insinuate it?