The New Covenant Sabbath is still Friday/Saturday

[Freth]

You should know this and have a prepared answer to bolster your errors. Have you ever defined the Ten Commandments using scripture? Why would Jeremiah say the New Covenant replaced it if not true?

A prepared answer? It took me about a half hour to write that from scratch, using scripture. Errors? Scripture speaks for itself in plain language and most definitely is not error.

Q: Have you ever defined the Ten Commandments using scripture?
A: The Ten Commandments define themselves, as per Exodus 20.

Q: Why would Jeremiah say the New Covenant replaced it if not true?
A: Jeremiah 11:1-5

1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying,

2 Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,

4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:

5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.​

 

[Dave L]

This is what that means.

The Law of God is for “all Israel.” None are exempt. “Not with our fathers” means not with them only; Moses also uses the expression because many of the references of the Decalogue were to the settled life of Canaan. “Face to face,” not in dark visions, but clearly and lucidly, Job 4:12-13. Our “face-to-face” vision is yet to come, 1Co 13:12; Rev 22:4. Notice in Deu 5:5 the ideal mediator, Gal 3:19; 1Ti 2:5.
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Have you found anywhere in the NT telling you to keep the Sabbath? How about this instead?

“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” Acts 15:19–20 (KJV 1900)

What happened to Nadab and Elihu when they added to God's word?

 

[Dave L]

A prepared answer? It took me about a half hour to write that from scratch, using scripture. Errors? Scripture speaks for itself in plain language and most definitely is not error.

Q: Have you ever defined the Ten Commandments using scripture?
A: The Ten Commandments define themselves, as per Exodus 20.

Q: Why would Jeremiah say the New Covenant replaced it if not true?
A: Jeremiah 11

1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying,

2 Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,

4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:

5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.​

The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. We now have the New Covenant that Jeremiah said would replace the Old.

 

[Bob S]

Some will say "yes Sabbath is still the same but is replaced by something else for Christians".

Some will say "Sabbath is still the same and is not replaced - but does not apply to Christians"

Many will say "Sabbath was edited to point to week-day-1 but not in the Bible"

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The Sabbath was for gentiles even in the OT Is 56:6-8

Yes, they were given permission to join, but did they? They were never commanded to keep the laws given only to Israel. Even up to today no gentile has ever been told we have to observe any day. SDAs have taken that upon their selves without any proof from scripture.

And in the NT gentiles keep Sabbath as we see in Acts 13:42-47, Acts 18:4

That is completely not in the least bit true Bob. It absolutely does not tell us the gentiles kept the Sabbath. If you really want to debate, at least use scripture that supports your theory.

 

[Freth]

The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. We now have the New Covenant that Jeremiah said would replace the Old.

In my last post, I just pointed out God's own words to Jeremiah, which makes it clear that what God commanded to Israel still stands.

Jeremiah 11:3-4 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant, which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so [in the same obedience] shall ye be my people, and I will be your God.
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I don't think you can misconstrue God's on words telling us that the same commands He gave to Israel still stand.

 

[Albion]

Samo, samo. Show us where God ever required gentiles to observe any day.

Not only that, but the New Testament--the very word of God, according to almost all Christian denominations--clearly explains that Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath, just as they are not obligated to other of the Old Testament Jewish rituals.

In Colossians 2:16-17, St. Paul refers to the Sabbath as something become a shadow, meaning that Christ fulfilled that obligation.

What's more, how the early Christians handled this is also identified in the New Testament and why Sunday was chosen as their primary day of worship. That information is God's word, too.

 

[Dave L]

In my last post, I just pointed out God's own words to Jeremiah, which makes it clear that what God commanded to Israel still stands.

Jeremiah 11:3-4 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant, which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so [in the same obedience] shall ye be my people, and I will be your God.​

You missed the change:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31:31–33 (KJV 1900)

 

[Freth]

You missed the change:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31:31–33 (KJV 1900)

Was not Jeremiah 11 also speaking to the house of Judah? I believe so, in verse 2 of my prior post:

2 Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.​

This new covenant has the same parameters. The commands didn't change.

 

[Dave L]

Was not Jeremiah 11 also speaking to the house of Judah? I believe so, in verse 2 of my prior post:

2 Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.​

This new covenant has the same parameters. The commands didn't change.

You are behind the times. Jeremiah says "the times, they are a changin", (paraphrased) But you missed it.

 

[Bob S]

In my last post, I just pointed out God's own words to Jeremiah, which makes it clear that what God commanded to Israel still stands.

Jeremiah 11:3-4 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant, which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so [in the same obedience] shall ye be my people, and I will be your God.
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I don't think you can misconstrue God's on words telling us that the same commands He gave to Israel still stand.

Have you read Ex 19:5-6? The covenant God gave to Israel was an "IF" covenant. If you do I will. They didn't do so the covenant became null and void. That took place at Calvary where Jesus ratified the new and better covenant with better promises. What in the World would you want to be under all of the laws of the Sinai covenant? I understand SDAs don't so who has given you the authority to pick and choose the commandments from the old covenant you see fit to obey? Could Ellen White have been given that authority?

 

[Element432]

For me, It is not about if you have to, but if you want to.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Have you found anywhere in the NT telling you to keep the Sabbath? How about this instead?

“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” Acts 15:19–20 (KJV 1900)

What happened to Nadab and Elihu when they added to God's word?

Are you accusing me of adding to God’s Word? Please show me what words I added? I have only quoted scripture.

These are God’s Words:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and went to Temple reading scriptures as it was His custom on the Sabbath day Luke 4:16 as our example.

Keeping the Sabbath day holy is a commandment of God and was made for us on this earth and the new earth Isaiah 66:23 so you’re argument is not with me but our Most High as these are His Words, not mine.

God bless

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are behind the times. Jeremiah says "the times, they are a changin", (paraphrased) But you missed it.

The Israelites broke the first covenant, not God. What changed in the second covenant is the agreement which is based on better promises not God’s laws. God said:

Jerm 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Jesus knows us when we obey and Jesus says He does not know us who practice lawlessness which is breaking the commandments of God and would of course include the 4th commandment that God told us to Remember and is the holy day of the Lord thy God.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

I pray this helps. God bless

 

[BobRyan]

Is 56:6-8
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
“I will yet gather others to them, to those already gathered.”

Yes, they were given permission to join

That text is more than "permission" it is blessing for those who choose not to profane God's Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

Have you found anywhere in the NT telling you to keep the Sabbath?

Did you find "do not take God's name in vain" quoted or commanded in the NT?
no.

IS that some kind of "bible proof" that it is ok to take God's name in vain?

By contrast the Sabbath commandment is quoted from and referenced numerous times in the NT

 

[BobRyan]

God says "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7

For me, It is not about if you have to, but if you want to.

Certainly I would "hope" most people would not "want" to take God's name in vain.

But in the NT "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4

 

[BobRyan]

Have you read Ex 19:5-6? The covenant God gave to Israel was an "IF" covenant. If you do I will.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"

1 Cor 7:19 there is no "IF"

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

1 John 5 -- no "IF"

"THIS IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3

Where the commandments of God include the "TEN" - having " 'honor your father and mother' as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

 

[BobRyan]

You are behind the times. Jeremiah says "the times, they are a changin", (paraphrased) But you missed it.

Jeremiah's definition of the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 is repeated verbatim "unchanged" in Heb 8:6-12

 

[BobRyan]

Not only that, but the New Testament--the very word of God, according to almost all Christian denominations--clearly explains that Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath, .

Not only does D.L. Moody not agree with that statement - neither do the Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate in almost all Christian denominations

As we saw in post #2 --
Today at 8:37 AM #2

The "TEN" that have " 'honor your father and mother' as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- remain.

 

[BobRyan]

This thread appears to be going well.