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Hmm, I think I understand what you’re saying but I just don’t see it that way. Perhaps it stems from the fact that I heavily reject the notion that “looks” should matter as much as they do to some people.

Looks are one form of selectivity. People scrutinize through others like:

Income
Physical fitness
Intelligence
Education
Career
Lifestyle
Interests

That's why dating sites are slanted. The more boxes you tick the more appealing you seem. Extra kudos if its popular on social media.

I'm testing this elsewhere. I'm not looking. But I'm curious to see how the opposite sex responds. I'm having a nice conversation with someone. I didn't tell him what I did for a living. Based on the little I've shared he told me I could be a social media star. He expounded a bit because he's in media.

It's interesting to see how social media altered our perceptions. I wouldn't have heard that years ago. I don't know if we're reliving a want for popularity or notice. The selfies and status updates all convey the same: Look at me.

I can understand why it became someone's standard who spent their life being overlooked. No one noticed them. If they get the girl or guy the world will pay attention. They benefit by association.
 
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You have to admit, there's not much in the Bible or Christianity, outside of being aligned in belief, regarding compatibility with their marital partners. It was quite irrelevant actually. If you were short, well, a future wife would have be okay with it...or maybe they were okay with it? *shrug*

The bible mentions physical attractiveness more than once. We're told some had beautiful wives. Or the man's stature was appealing.
 
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The bible mentions physical attractiveness more than once. We're told some had beautiful wives. Or the man's stature was appealing.
And until a massive societal transformation occurs, it will just stay that way. I was reminded of some passages about what God looks at in us.
 
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The bible mentions physical attractiveness more than once. We're told some had beautiful wives. Or the man's stature was appealing.

Looks didn't keep Jacob from being married to Leah first. If a man got a beautiful wife, that was a bonus to the reasons for which their marriage was really arranged.
 
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Looks didn't keep Jacob from being married to Leah first. If a man got a beautiful wife, that was a bonus to the reasons for which their marriage was really arranged.

The bible explains it differently. :)

Then Jacob said to Laban, “Give me my wife that I may go in to her, for my time is completed.” So Laban gathered together all the people of the place and made a feast.

But in the evening he took his daughter Leah and brought her to Jacob, and he went in to her. (Laban gave his female servant Zilpah to his daughter Leah to be her servant.)

And in the morning, behold, it was Leah! And Jacob said to Laban, “What is this you have done to me? Did I not serve with you for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?”
 
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The bible explains it differently. :)

Then Jacob said to Laban, “Give me my wife that I may go in to her, for my time is completed.” So Laban gathered together all the people of the place and made a feast.

But in the evening he took his daughter Leah and brought her to Jacob, and he went in to her. (Laban gave his female servant Zilpah to his daughter Leah to be her servant.)

And in the morning, behold, it was Leah! And Jacob said to Laban, “What is this you have done to me? Did I not serve with you for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?”

Rachel's beauty did not keep Jacob from being married to Leah first, as I said. Rachel's beauty didn't figure in to Labon's calculation, and Labon pointed out that Jacob should have known better.
 
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Rachel's beauty did not keep Jacob from being married to Leah first, as I said. Rachel's beauty didn't figure in to Labon's calculation, and Labon pointed out that Jacob should have known better.

He didn't choose her. He wanted Rachel and favored her. Labon was unethical. That's not an example worth citing.
 
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He didn't choose her. He wanted Rachel and favored her. Labon was unethical. That's not an example worth citing.

Well, the most direct example of woman's beauty being the primary factor of an arranged marriage is Samson's marriage to Delilah....
 
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Well, the most direct example of woman's beauty being the primary factor of an arranged marriage is Samson's marriage to Delilah....

I acknowledged the bible's inclusion of physical beauty. I never said it was a primary factor or anything else. I mentioned it was there.
 
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Social media is driven by clicks. The reason you have Insta girls, the rich set, and mini Martha’s is because of the population. That’s their aspiration and the genie serves it up in large doses.

Most people realize they’ll never have the same. The majority of successful digital entrepreneurs aren’t attractive. They’re average looking. The ones who get the most attention are doing things that cost time and money. It reinforces the ideal.

Dating wise, effort is celebrated. That’s where the gap is coming from. If you workout everyday and spend an hour getting dressed you’ll look better. If you invest in a nice wardrobe you’ll add to that.

The majority won’t do it. Nor do they tidy every day, make photogenic meals, spend hours on craft or DIY projects, or run around the world. They’re not willing to make the sacrifices to do so. They want their convenience.

I showed someone a photo yesterday and I’ll leave it here. This is a look popularized by Kim Kardashian. It minimizes flaws and enhances good features. This is what they’re seeing on Insta. Most men would notice the girl on the right more so than the other.

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I've never understood men who are attracted to so much makeup.
 
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The anti-makeup/'fake looks' thing is weird. I've seen a lot of social media posts by men who seem to like to pretend that they don't know what makeup is used for, saying things like "Your appearance is a lie cos you're painted up like a china doll, but if I say I'm 6'0" when I'm really 5'10", I'm a terrible liar?" or whatever.

Okay...so she doesn't look like that when she wakes up in the morning. Do you still like what you see? If yes, then shut it. If not, then shut it. Either way you won't gain anything by commenting about how it's 'fake looking'.
 
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The anti-makeup/'fake looks' thing is weird. I've seen a lot of social media posts by men who seem to like to pretend that they don't know what makeup is used for, saying things like "Your appearance is a lie cos you're painted up like a china doll, but if I say I'm 6'0" when I'm really 5'10", I'm a terrible liar?" or whatever.

What a lot of men assume is natural is still makeup. They're wearing neutral tones. Or using apps that smooth the skin, remove or minimize flaws, and adding filters. I would take natural with a grain of salt unless you're staring her in the eye with a Kleenex in hand.

You need a podcast or YouTube channel. We need more straight talking Christians addressing difficult subjects. Feel good messages created this mess. I don't think you can weather this time with it.
 
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What a lot of men assume is natural is still makeup. They're wearing neutral tones. Or using apps that smooth the skin, remove or minimize flaws, and adding filters. I would take natural with a grain of salt unless you're staring her in the eye with a Kleenex in hand.

Hahaha. And even then, I dunno...some women I have known are pretty much magicians with makeup.

You need a podcast or YouTube channel.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I think way too many people have podcasts and YT channels already.

We need more straight talking Christians addressing difficult subjects. Feel good messages created this mess. I don't think you can weather this time with it.

Agreed, though I should hope that people can look to such leaders in their own churches.
 
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Hahaha. And even then, I dunno...some women I have known are pretty much magicians with makeup.

True. Some are unrecognizable! I'll contour (like the image). But I wouldn't put it on a dating site or give it to a guy who wants a picture. I go for something more restrained intentionally. When he sees me in person, on camera, or receives additional images I look better.

Psychologically, that's his greatest fear. By giving less on the front end he receives more overall and isn't disappointed. Versus the person who presents themselves as their best but don't maintain it otherwise.

Under promise...over deliver.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I think way too many people have podcasts and YT channels already.

Darn, you'd be really entertaining!

Agreed, though I should hope that people can look to such leaders in their own churches.

I expect to see more outside of that setting. Dating doesn't get a lot of airplay in church. Men need to hear from others who didn't find their wife in college or settle down easily. The majority can't relate to what's happening.
 
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Why not? Some men like legs, height, etc. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :)
Sure it is. That still doesn't mean I understand their taste.

I suppose I just associate lots of makeup with extroversion, which I am not interested in at all.
 
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The bible explains it differently. :)

Then Jacob said to Laban, “Give me my wife that I may go in to her, for my time is completed.” So Laban gathered together all the people of the place and made a feast.

But in the evening he took his daughter Leah and brought her to Jacob, and he went in to her. (Laban gave his female servant Zilpah to his daughter Leah to be her servant.)

And in the morning, behold, it was Leah! And Jacob said to Laban, “What is this you have done to me? Did I not serve with you for Rachel? Why then have you deceived me?”

and there you have it, catfishing in the bible
 
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Sure it is. That still doesn't mean I understand their taste.

I suppose I just associate lots of makeup with extroversion, which I am not interested in at all.

Thanks for explaining. I hadn’t thought of it in those terms but I see the connection. :)

Makeup makes women feel good which increases their confidence.
 
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and there you have it, catfishing in the bible

You had to go there! Here’s the catfish clues.

Why Do People Catfish?

People catfish for a number of reasons. Some do not involve malicious intent, while others directly seek to harm specific people. Some of the primary reasons behind catfishing include:

Insecurity: If a catfisher feels bad about who they are in real life, they may try to create an identity that conforms more closely to what they wish they could be. This often includes using a picture of someone they feel is better-looking than them.

They may also pretend to have a successful career to experience how it feels to be admired for their “accomplishments.” Catfishers who assume attractive identities may also be trying to garner a lot of “friends” online to feel more popular.

Concealing their identity: There are several reasons why people want to conceal their identity online. When no one knows who you are, it is easier to troll people on discussion boards because of the lack of repercussions. Some people intend to cheat on their spouse or significant other and feel the best way to get away with it is to falsify their identity.

In other instances, a person hides their identity to extort money from someone else. If the person figures out the scam, they cannot tell authorities who the attacker is because of the catfisher's false persona.

Mental illness: In some cases, people who suffer from depression or chronic anxiety may choose to get involved in catfishing. As they assume another person’s identity, they gain the confidence they need to associate with others and live what they feel is a more “normal” online life. With a more attractive, successful, or gregarious identity, they get a self-esteem boost whenever they engage with others online.

Revenge: Some catfishers seek revenge on the person they are impersonating. They use the person’s name and image and create an online identity. Then they say or do things online that make the person look bad—or even get involved in illegal activity in the target’s name.

Experimenting with sexual preferences: Some catfishers use the practice to explore their sexual identities. They assume the sexual preference they are interested in online, using an identity different from their own. As they engage in social interactions under that identity, they get a sense of how it would feel to live that lifestyle full-time.

To harass their target: When someone has been trying to stalk, bother, or pursue someone online, the target often blocks the aggressor on one or more social media platforms. When this happens, the attacker may use catfishing to continue their pursuits.

Even though the victim does not know who they are interacting with, the catfisher, once accepted as a friend or follower, is still able to see the target’s posts and pictures. In this way, they can keep tabs on what they are doing, when, and with whom.

A common thread among many of the reasons why people catfish is an absence of self-confidence. When people are either personally dissatisfied with themselves or feel their real identity is not good enough to accomplish a certain objective, they may assume another “self” to feel better or attain the desired result.

In other cases, the catfisher lacks the self-confidence needed to express themselves openly, but under the guise of a false identity, they feel they can be who they want to be.

7 Possible Signs You Are Being Catfished

What does it mean to be catfished? It can be hard to tell when you are being catfished, particularly if the catfisher’s profile is detailed and thorough. However, if you notice any of the seven following signs, you may be the victim of a catfishing scam.

They Do Not Have Many Friends or Followers

Catfishers often do not have many friends or followers on their accounts. This is due to a few different reasons. First, the account is typically created for a specific reason: to catfish a particular target.

They may only use the account for that purpose but use their real social media accounts for more genuine interactions. Therefore, they may not invest the time needed to populate their catfishing account with friends or followers.

Often, to gain connections on social media, a user has to self-market, reach out to others, and like or follow profiles. This may take considerable time, and a catfisher may not invest the time and energy to generate enough followers for the account to look “real.”

Another reason is to reduce the chances of being caught. The more friends or followers a catfisher has, the more questions may be asked regarding their identity, their profession, or their location. Each query could result in a slip-up, so limiting the number of contacts helps mitigate the catfisher’s risk.

The risk of getting discovered is also increased when the catfisher has more friends because accepting a friend suggestion verifies a connection made by the social media site's algorithm.

For example, if Facebook recommends someone as a friend, it may be because they live in your area or went to the same school. If a catfisher only changed how they looked or a few other basic elements of their identity, someone who knows how the suggestion algorithm generally works could figure out they are not who they say they are. Therefore, the fewer friends a catfisher has, the smaller the chances of them being discovered.

They Never Want To Call/Video Call


If someone refuses to video chat or engage in a voice call, they may be trying to keep you from seeing how they really look or hearing what they really sound like. In most cases, the catfisher will invent excuses as to why they cannot talk or video chat.

For example, each time you agree to a time to connect, something comes up, or they claim their schedule is inundated with appointments. They may also pretend to be ashamed of how they look due to a serious illness, such as cancer.

Another excuse may be they are traveling or in the middle of visiting family. Regardless of the excuse provided, repeated rejections of a visual or aural meetup may indicate you are being catfished.

Their Profile Picture Remains the Same

Because a catfisher only has access to so many false profile pictures of the person whose look they are stealing, they may keep the same profile picture for many years. If you notice that the person is, for example, 45 years old, but their profile picture looks closer to 35, they may be falsifying their identity.

A catfisher may be able to grab several pictures of the same person online and then roll them out one by one as months or years go by. However, the pictures they take may have all been snatched at the same time, making them look as if they are not aging as time passes.

They Avoid Meeting Up

A face-to-face meetup is a catfisher’s nightmare. There is no surer way for their false identity to be compromised. A catfisher who lives close to you will be easier to spot if they refuse to meet up, regardless of how public the intended location is.

If the catfisher lives farther away, it can be easy for them to repeatedly use that as an excuse. In that case, if you are suspicious, you can always recommend a video call. If they shy away from that as well, it is highly likely you are being catfished.

Their Stories Do Not Add Up

Assuming another identity requires a string of flawlessly executed lies. It is easy for a careless catfisher to slip up. For example, if someone claims to live in one area of the country but is suddenly in your area, they may be trying to intensify their connection with you through closer “proximity.” Sudden adjustments such as this are easy to spot.

In other instances, the catfisher may claim to have attended a certain high school or university but knows little about the location or the institution itself.

They Ask You for Money

If your suspected catfisher asks for money or a gift, your suspicions are likely correct. Even if you have already formed an emotional or business connection with the person, it is best to refuse their request. In general, you should never send money to someone whose identity you cannot confirm.

They Are Over the Top

If you are in contact with someone you have never met and they make overly committal claims like they love you or want to engage in a major business venture with you, they may be catfishing you. It is likely they feel a grand gesture may win your trust.
 
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You had to go there! Here’s the catfish clues.

Why Do People Catfish?

People catfish for a number of reasons. Some do not involve malicious intent, while others directly seek to harm specific people. Some of the primary reasons behind catfishing include:

Insecurity: If a catfisher feels bad about who they are in real life, they may try to create an identity that conforms more closely to what they wish they could be. This often includes using a picture of someone they feel is better-looking than them.

They may also pretend to have a successful career to experience how it feels to be admired for their “accomplishments.” Catfishers who assume attractive identities may also be trying to garner a lot of “friends” online to feel more popular.

Concealing their identity: There are several reasons why people want to conceal their identity online. When no one knows who you are, it is easier to troll people on discussion boards because of the lack of repercussions. Some people intend to cheat on their spouse or significant other and feel the best way to get away with it is to falsify their identity.

In other instances, a person hides their identity to extort money from someone else. If the person figures out the scam, they cannot tell authorities who the attacker is because of the catfisher's false persona.

Mental illness: In some cases, people who suffer from depression or chronic anxiety may choose to get involved in catfishing. As they assume another person’s identity, they gain the confidence they need to associate with others and live what they feel is a more “normal” online life. With a more attractive, successful, or gregarious identity, they get a self-esteem boost whenever they engage with others online.

Revenge: Some catfishers seek revenge on the person they are impersonating. They use the person’s name and image and create an online identity. Then they say or do things online that make the person look bad—or even get involved in illegal activity in the target’s name.

Experimenting with sexual preferences: Some catfishers use the practice to explore their sexual identities. They assume the sexual preference they are interested in online, using an identity different from their own. As they engage in social interactions under that identity, they get a sense of how it would feel to live that lifestyle full-time.

To harass their target: When someone has been trying to stalk, bother, or pursue someone online, the target often blocks the aggressor on one or more social media platforms. When this happens, the attacker may use catfishing to continue their pursuits.

Even though the victim does not know who they are interacting with, the catfisher, once accepted as a friend or follower, is still able to see the target’s posts and pictures. In this way, they can keep tabs on what they are doing, when, and with whom.

A common thread among many of the reasons why people catfish is an absence of self-confidence. When people are either personally dissatisfied with themselves or feel their real identity is not good enough to accomplish a certain objective, they may assume another “self” to feel better or attain the desired result.

In other cases, the catfisher lacks the self-confidence needed to express themselves openly, but under the guise of a false identity, they feel they can be who they want to be.

7 Possible Signs You Are Being Catfished

What does it mean to be catfished? It can be hard to tell when you are being catfished, particularly if the catfisher’s profile is detailed and thorough. However, if you notice any of the seven following signs, you may be the victim of a catfishing scam.

They Do Not Have Many Friends or Followers

Catfishers often do not have many friends or followers on their accounts. This is due to a few different reasons. First, the account is typically created for a specific reason: to catfish a particular target.

They may only use the account for that purpose but use their real social media accounts for more genuine interactions. Therefore, they may not invest the time needed to populate their catfishing account with friends or followers.

Often, to gain connections on social media, a user has to self-market, reach out to others, and like or follow profiles. This may take considerable time, and a catfisher may not invest the time and energy to generate enough followers for the account to look “real.”

Another reason is to reduce the chances of being caught. The more friends or followers a catfisher has, the more questions may be asked regarding their identity, their profession, or their location. Each query could result in a slip-up, so limiting the number of contacts helps mitigate the catfisher’s risk.

The risk of getting discovered is also increased when the catfisher has more friends because accepting a friend suggestion verifies a connection made by the social media site's algorithm.

For example, if Facebook recommends someone as a friend, it may be because they live in your area or went to the same school. If a catfisher only changed how they looked or a few other basic elements of their identity, someone who knows how the suggestion algorithm generally works could figure out they are not who they say they are. Therefore, the fewer friends a catfisher has, the smaller the chances of them being discovered.

They Never Want To Call/Video Call


If someone refuses to video chat or engage in a voice call, they may be trying to keep you from seeing how they really look or hearing what they really sound like. In most cases, the catfisher will invent excuses as to why they cannot talk or video chat.

For example, each time you agree to a time to connect, something comes up, or they claim their schedule is inundated with appointments. They may also pretend to be ashamed of how they look due to a serious illness, such as cancer.

Another excuse may be they are traveling or in the middle of visiting family. Regardless of the excuse provided, repeated rejections of a visual or aural meetup may indicate you are being catfished.

Their Profile Picture Remains the Same

Because a catfisher only has access to so many false profile pictures of the person whose look they are stealing, they may keep the same profile picture for many years. If you notice that the person is, for example, 45 years old, but their profile picture looks closer to 35, they may be falsifying their identity.

A catfisher may be able to grab several pictures of the same person online and then roll them out one by one as months or years go by. However, the pictures they take may have all been snatched at the same time, making them look as if they are not aging as time passes.

They Avoid Meeting Up

A face-to-face meetup is a catfisher’s nightmare. There is no surer way for their false identity to be compromised. A catfisher who lives close to you will be easier to spot if they refuse to meet up, regardless of how public the intended location is.

If the catfisher lives farther away, it can be easy for them to repeatedly use that as an excuse. In that case, if you are suspicious, you can always recommend a video call. If they shy away from that as well, it is highly likely you are being catfished.

Their Stories Do Not Add Up

Assuming another identity requires a string of flawlessly executed lies. It is easy for a careless catfisher to slip up. For example, if someone claims to live in one area of the country but is suddenly in your area, they may be trying to intensify their connection with you through closer “proximity.” Sudden adjustments such as this are easy to spot.

In other instances, the catfisher may claim to have attended a certain high school or university but knows little about the location or the institution itself.

They Ask You for Money

If your suspected catfisher asks for money or a gift, your suspicions are likely correct. Even if you have already formed an emotional or business connection with the person, it is best to refuse their request. In general, you should never send money to someone whose identity you cannot confirm.

They Are Over the Top

If you are in contact with someone you have never met and they make overly committal claims like they love you or want to engage in a major business venture with you, they may be catfishing you. It is likely they feel a grand gesture may win your trust.

I never really thought about the truly malicious catfishing
almost entirely I've seen it as just being shy or insecurity about their looks
I mean I myself don't post a profile picture because I don't want to take a picture of myself because I don't like the way I look, I have never liked the way I've looked.
while not everyone has reacted to me in this way I have had a cross country teammate in high school stop, look me straight in the face, and say "You are the ugliest kid I've ever seen", and while in college, had a car full of girls literally stop as I was walking down a street at night, roll down their window and say "You are so (expletive)ing ugly!" and then laugh and drive off.
Yeah I get it, I'm not a looker, so I don't really feel like posting pictures of myself.
I also don't post pictures of other people though to trick people, I mean I'll use profile pictures of very obviously "not me" characters I mean I'm ugly, but I am not Baby Yoda from the Star Wars Mandalorian show (although I really liked that show), but that's not in an effort to deceive.. just I like that character and don't feel like showing my own face.

There I go again, exposing vulnerabilities when I don't need to...
 
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