Full FDA approval will cause acceptance

[HisGraceAbounds]

I have no desire to debate anyone, but I'm going to take crap from anybody. Big claims require big proof, and those of you pushing the vaccine have none. None.

I want to see what happens and how you change your tune in a few months when the deaths from the vaccinated folks cannot be hidden or blamed on the unvaccinated. I want to see how even if you get your way and everyone gets a shot, that nothing is ever going back to normal.

I'd also like to see how your attitudes shift. Right now there are a couple of you who seem the type of folks who would have dropped a dime on Anne Frank.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

I want to see what happens and how you change your tune in a few months when the deaths from the vaccinated folks cannot be hidden or blamed on the unvaccinated.

What do you mean? How would the vaccinated change their tune in a few months? I'm curious to know.

 

[Nithavela]

haha... except the vaccine doesn't prevent an infection with the delta variant, nor does it prevent the vaccinated from spreading the disease..

So basically your saying prayer is ALL we have...

It greatly reduces the chance of infection, and in case of infection it greatly reduces the chance of the diseased person ending up in the ICU. This has been written on this forum at least a hundred times, so I can only come to the conclusion that you are purposefully obfuscating. Maybe because you think the vaccines is harmfull and you are trying to prevent people out of some twisted sense of good will, or maybe you just lie to people because you want to see them suffer or die.

 

[Nithavela]

I have no desire to debate anyone[...]

This is the debate and discussion forum, so I think you took a wrong turn somewhere while navigating this forum.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Covid-19: FDA set to grant full approval to Pfizer vaccine without public discussion of data
“These public meetings are imperative in building trust and confidence especially when the vaccines came to market at lightning speed under emergency use authorisation,”

“The public deserves a transparent process, especially as the call for boosters and mandates are rapidly increasing. These meetings offer a platform where questions can be raised, problems tackled, and data scrutinised in advance of an approval.”

“It is already concerning that full approval is being based on 6 months’ worth of data despite the clinical trials designed for two years,”

“There is no control group after Pfizer offered the product to placebo participants before the trials were completed.

“Full approval of covid-19 vaccines must be done in an open public forum for all to see. It could set a precedent of lowered standards for future vaccine approvals.”

“It’s obvious that the FDA has no intention of hearing anyone else’s opinion. But if you make decisions behind closed doors it can feed into hesitancy. It’s important to have a public discussion about what kind of data are there and what the limitations are. As we think about risk versus benefit, we need to know.”

“If there are no advisory committee meetings prior to licensure, the FDA should consider taking extra steps to explain the basis of its decisions to the public.”

In summary, it looks like the FDA approval is a pro-vaccine whitewash, with absolutely no public debate.

I think it's fairly obvious why they're doing this. Vaccine uptake isn't as high as they hoped, so now they need full FDA approval, so that they can commence strong-arm tactics on the unvaccinated. Prepare for a whole new level of coercion, such as widespread no-jab-no-job.

If it all goes horribly wrong, then those responsible must be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

 

[Nithavela]

What do you mean? How would the vaccinated change their tune in a few months? I'm curious to know.

I think he's expecting people to go "whoops, I'm dead, my bad. Shouldn't have taken that vaccine."

 

[ThisIsMe123]

It greatly reduces the chance of infection, and in case of infection it greatly reduces the chance of the diseased person ending up in the ICU.

Thing is, you have to be very specific with the naysayers, now they won't come back to argue this point, because they know they are wrong.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Covid-19: FDA set to grant full approval to Pfizer vaccine without public discussion of data
“These public meetings are imperative in building trust and confidence especially when the vaccines came to market at lightning speed under emergency use authorisation,”

“The public deserves a transparent process, especially as the call for boosters and mandates are rapidly increasing. These meetings offer a platform where questions can be raised, problems tackled, and data scrutinised in advance of an approval.”

“It is already concerning that full approval is being based on 6 months’ worth of data despite the clinical trials designed for two years,”

“There is no control group after Pfizer offered the product to placebo participants before the trials were completed.

“Full approval of covid-19 vaccines must be done in an open public forum for all to see. It could set a precedent of lowered standards for future vaccine approvals.”

“It’s obvious that the FDA has no intention of hearing anyone else’s opinion. But if you make decisions behind closed doors it can feed into hesitancy. It’s important to have a public discussion about what kind of data are there and what the limitations are. As we think about risk versus benefit, we need to know.”

“If there are no advisory committee meetings prior to licensure, the FDA should consider taking extra steps to explain the basis of its decisions to the public.”

In summary, it looks like the FDA approval is a pro-vaccine whitewash, with absolutely no public debate.

I think it's fairly obvious why they're doing this. Vaccine uptake isn't as high as they hoped, so now they need full FDA approval, so that they can commence strong-arm tactics on the unvaccinated. Prepare for a whole new level of coercion, such as widespread no-jab-no-job.

If it all goes horribly wrong, then those responsible must be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

OH PUH-Leeze! Flare for the dramatic, much? lol

You may want to read this...it's a PDF file for required immunizations at schools, soon, Covid 19 vaccine will wind up on this list.

https://www.sarasotacountyschools.n...EhtXCmM7zDmyyCDlLupZDNbQTpy65acBW_UAK804U9MCU

 

[HisGraceAbounds]

Here's a bio-distribution document put out by Pfizer about some of the reactions human tissues can have to the vaccine elements:
https://www.naturalnews.com/files/P...nfidential-document-translated-to-english.pdf

If you wanted to see how Pfizer is (and will) benefit financially from this whole debacle, here's the latest SEC filing to go through. The language talking about the company's future directions is interesting.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2020/q4/Pfizer-10-K.pdf

Naturally, you should be HIGHLY skeptical of this information. Why? You didn't hear about it on the mainstream media, and as we all know, if it doesn't get mentioned by a talking head on TV, it isn't real and it's just a conspiracy.

 

[HisGraceAbounds]

I think he's expecting people to go "whoops, I'm dead, my bad. Shouldn't have taken that vaccine."

You 'could' ask me what I mean instead of making something up on your own. You could. Wouldn't be as much fun for you though, would it?

So, ask.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Here's a bio-distribution document put out by Pfizer about some of the reactions human tissues can have to the vaccine elements:
https://www.naturalnews.com/files/P...nfidential-document-translated-to-english.pdf

If you wanted to see how Pfizer is (and will) benefit financially from this whole debacle, here's the latest SEC filing to go through. The language talking about the company's future directions is interesting.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2020/q4/Pfizer-10-K.pdf

Naturally, you should be HIGHLY skeptical of this information. Why? You didn't hear about it on the mainstream media, and as we all know, if it doesn't get mentioned by a talking head on TV, it isn't real and it's just a conspiracy.

I don't follow the main stream media, I follow the science.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

You 'could' ask me what I mean instead of making something up on your own. You could. Wouldn't be as much fun for you though, would it?

So, ask.

I'll repost this, it's somewhere in a previous post (regarding Covid)

REASONS TO NOT GET A COVID VACCINE



MEDICAL

Pregnancy CDC Newsroom

Miscarriage Risk Receipt of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines preconception and during pregnancy and risk of self-reported spontaneous abortions, CDC v-safe COVID-19 Vaccine Pregnancy Registry 2020-21 AND The Top COVID-19 Vaccine Myths Spreading Online

Breastfeeding Vaccination Considerations for People Pregnant or Breastfeeding

Attempting to Become Pregnant Vaccination Considerations for People Pregnant or Breastfeeding

Immunosuppressed https://infectioncontrol.ucsfmedica...Vaccine_Guidelines_IC_Special_Populations.pdf

Already Had COVID Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

Prior Blood Clots COVID-19 Vaccine Update: Your Questions Answered AND https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-05-12/07-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf

Prior Bells Palsy COVID-19 Vaccination Considerations for Persons with Underlying Medica

Prior Guillain-Barre COVID-19 Vaccination Considerations for Persons with Underlying Medica

Prior Transplant Patient https://infectioncontrol.ucsfmedica...Vaccine_Guidelines_IC_Special_Populations.pdf

Autoimmune Disease COVID Vaccine & Autoimmune Disease FAQ

Allergic reactions to other vaccines COVID-19 Vaccine Reported Allergic Reactions | Allergy & Asthma Network

Heart conditions have been reported after the vaccine Self limiting inflammation of the heart muscle or lining of the heart were reported in 1 out of 200,000 vaccine recipients and resolved in a few days without any deaths or long term issues. Some vaccine recipients with these conditions went on to get a second vaccine and had no adverse effects Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19

Not Enough Trial Subjects There were more than 100,000 trial participants for the vaccines- far more than the typically developed vaccines.

Trials Were Rushed Were the COVID-19 vaccines rushed? Here's how the vaccines were developed so fast AND Debunking Common Myths About COVID-19 Vaccines AND https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/myths-vs-facts-covid-19-vaccine/

Doctor is recommending against vaccination due to your medical condition but his/her advice conflicts with recommendations from medical societies, government agencies, and other physicians.

Doctor is recommending against vaccination but will not tell you why The CDC is the research and policy organization that drives public health measures in the US. Certain types of doctors do not believe in vaccinations in their practice including many Naturopathic Doctors (ND), Homeopathy practitioners, “Functional” doctors, Holistic doctors, and others. In cases where the doctors have an educational tilt or practice philosophy that would conflict with CDC advice based on billions of dollars of research on COVID rather than a general nebulous philosophy, one should seek another doctor if they cannot explain exactly why you should not receive a vaccine, and that advice is not in line with the CDC and other legitimate medical authority recommendations (including Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, FDA, etc.)

Allergic to specific ingredients in COVID vaccines. Although this remains as effectively the only contraindication to vaccination, it is extremely rare people will have exhibited severe reactions to any of the chemicals found in the vaccines in prior allergic reactions. Of the chemicals ingredients in the COVID vaccines, there are some fats or long molecules such as derivatives of PEG (polyethylene glycol) or its relative, Polysorbate 80. In cases where patients have had other vaccines that contain these substances (contents of common vaccines are listed here- https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf )and had an anaphylactic reaction, then they should be allergy tested against these substances before accepting a COVID vaccine.


FINANCIAL

High cost of vaccines The COVID vaccines are free to the US public https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...vaccine for covid:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

Physical access to vaccines The current US government administration has expanded physical access to the vaccines by making them available in more underserved areas, utilization of third party door to door vaccinators, and expanding into major pharmacy chains.

MEDICAL MYTHS AND INTENTIONAL LIES

The technology used to make the vaccines is too new to be safe https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/myths-vs-facts-covid-19-vaccine/

COVID vaccines makes you magnetic In early June 2021, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, an antivax osteopathic physician based in Cleveland, claimed that COVID-19 vaccines could turn people into magnets due to 5G telecommunication towers. While addressing Ohio lawmakers, she used her claim to justify the need for a bill to stop businesses and government agencies from requiring vaccinations. She alleged that vaccinated people become “magnetized,” as evidenced by pictures on the internet of them with forks and spoons sticking to their persons. “There has been people who have long suspected there was some sort of an interface, yet to be defined, an interface between what’s being injected in these shots, and all of the 5G towers,” Tenpenny said. https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021...is-lawmaker-invited-her-testimony-chair-says/DEBUNKED BY: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/57207134 AND https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-tenpenny-makes-false-covid-19-vaccine-magne/

Graphene oxide is a component of COVID vaccines https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...accines-via-lipid-nanoparticles-idUSL1N2PI2XH

Vaccines wipe out natural antibodies https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

Spike proteins in mRNA COVID vaccines are toxic to humans and can spread throughout the body, causing heart problems and neurological damage https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

People vaccinated with COVID vaccines can shed disease causing particles to others https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online AND https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html Unfortunately some completely ignorant dentists and doctors in Tampa Bay were making this claim and asking patients to not come to the office within 2 weeks after a vaccination

Vaccines are increasing the number of new variants and making vaccinated individuals more likely to infect others with new super-strains https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

COVID 19 vaccines are not halal or kosher because they contain pork products https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

Vaccines are made from aborted fetuses https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

COVID vaccines enters your cells and changes your DNA https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online AND https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html AND https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/08/vaccine-myths

COVID vaccines cause sterility https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online AND https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/myths-vs-facts-covid-19-vaccine/

COVID vaccines contain microchips https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online AND https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/myths-vs-facts-covid-19-vaccine/

COVID vaccines can give you COVID https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online AND https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/08/vaccine-myths

COVID vaccines can make COVID worse if you encounter the virus https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

I don’t have any symptoms therefore cannot infect others https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

COVID is no worse than the seasonal flu or a cold https://www.bayhealth.org/community-health-and-wellness/blog/2020/may/covid19-fact-vs-fiction

COVID vaccine isn’t a vaccine https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online


LIVING IN FEAR: UNSUBSTANTIATED CONCERNS

In 2-4 years there will be side effects that medicine cannot for see due to not enough time has passed (fact- RNA vaccines are active in your system for only a few days) https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/08/vaccine-myths

Side effects and deaths listed in VAERS https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

CONFLATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY WITH SCIENCE

Vaccine is not FDA approved therefore is experimental and therefore not safe The FDA has different levels of approval or authorization, and EUA is but one of several. It does not mean the vaccine is experimental. https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...y-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW

The Vaccines Violate the Nuremberg Code, which bans medical experiments from being performed on humans without their consent https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online

Happy reading.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Also, consider this (the anti-vaxxers here seem to ignore) is the amount of unvaccinated people clogging up the hospital ICU beds that could have been made better use to those who actually need hospitalization. (like someone who needs heart surgery)

But those times are changing, and the unvaccinated will be put further down the ICU list.

 

[HisGraceAbounds]

...and?

See, part of the issue with discussing these kinds of matters is that people assume a lot about the person posting their contribution. Obviously I take issue with this vaccine. I wonder (I know pretty much) what you think that says about me?

Am I anti-vax?
Am I MAGA-turd?
Am I a conspiracy theorist?

I am whatever you make me out to be based on whether or not you agree with my statements. That's unfortunate. You'd be wrong about most of it, and that wouldn't matter to you. If you disagree with me, I'm not even considered a human being in your eyes. I am 'wrong' and therefore a lower caste than you. Proving me 'wrong' becomes a vendetta to you.

I was told very early on that should a vaccine be made available, that I was NOT to take it. I have a compromised immune system that would not survive the first round of this two-part vaccine. The first shot would likely kill me. That's straight from the mouth of two primary care providers (one civilian, one in the VA medical system).

That means I get to sit back and watch this unfold. What I have seen so far is disturbing.

 

[Nithavela]

You 'could' ask me what I mean instead of making something up on your own. You could. Wouldn't be as much fun for you though, would it?

So, ask.

You just told me that it's more fun not to.

 

[Nithavela]

Thing is, you have to be very specific with the naysayers, now they won't come back to argue this point, because they know they are wrong.

They'll find something else to be wrong about.

 

[Nithavela]

Here's a bio-distribution document put out by Pfizer about some of the reactions human tissues can have to the vaccine elements:
https://www.naturalnews.com/files/P...nfidential-document-translated-to-english.pdf

If you wanted to see how Pfizer is (and will) benefit financially from this whole debacle, here's the latest SEC filing to go through. The language talking about the company's future directions is interesting.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2020/q4/Pfizer-10-K.pdf

Naturally, you should be HIGHLY skeptical of this information. Why? You didn't hear about it on the mainstream media, and as we all know, if it doesn't get mentioned by a talking head on TV, it isn't real and it's just a conspiracy.

Natural News is the biggest source of fake news on the internet that tries to look like a normal news site.

 

[HisGraceAbounds]

Natural News is the biggest source of fake news on the internet that tries to look like a normal news site.

Okay

 

[Nithavela]

...and?

See, part of the issue with discussing these kinds of matters is that people assume a lot about the person posting their contribution. Obviously I take issue with this vaccine. I wonder (I know pretty much) what you think that says about me?

Am I anti-vax?
Am I MAGA-turd?
Am I a conspiracy theorist?

I am whatever you make me out to be based on whether or not you agree with my statements. That's unfortunate. You'd be wrong about most of it, and that wouldn't matter to you. If you disagree with me, I'm not even considered a human being in your eyes. I am 'wrong' and therefore a lower caste than you. Proving me 'wrong' becomes a vendetta to you.

I was told very early on that should a vaccine be made available, that I was NOT to take it. I have a compromised immune system that would not survive the first round of this two-part vaccine. The first shot would likely kill me. That's straight from the mouth of two primary care providers (one civilian, one in the VA medical system).

That means I get to sit back and watch this unfold. What I have seen so far is disturbing.

You should follow the advice of your doctors, and nobody takes issue with you not taking the vaccine out of medical reasons.

What people take issue with is you posting lies that might cause people on the fence to not take the vaccines when they don't have the same health issues you have.

 

[Nithavela]

Okay

Nice to see that you agree.