THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY!

[SabbathBlessings]

Every day.
The Lord created all days, Genesis 1.
This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it, Psalms 118:24.

The debate is not all days are made by God, this is very true, God made everything. The question is which day did God set aside, sanctified, blessed, made holy and asked us to Remember and keep holy?

According to God six days are working day Genesis 1, Exodus 20:9 and the seventh day is the holy day of the Lord thy God. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13.

God bless!

 

[timothyu]

in favor of latter/last days fringe teaching.

How about in favour of early day, non gentile fringe teachings that the pre-Pauline Apostles taught and were taught?

 

[timothyu]

The Resurrection took place on Sunday.

"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance" John 20:1

Mary could have gone to the tomb roughly 30 hours after Jesus' death yet which encompassed three days. And He was already risen. Days started with sunsets, not midnight to the Jews. Did Sunday start at sunset? There wasn't even a universal concept of what a week was at the time. Romans even had an 8 day 'week' period to mark time between markets. So this first day of the week was obviously a later construct within the gentile church when weeks became universal and common..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not asking you to accept what the early Christian literature actually teaches. I certainly wouldn't. What it teaches is irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant is the historical use of the term "The Lord's day", which from apostolic times was widely used as a reference to Sunday.

Then it should be easy enough to find in scriptures, yet no one has been able to produce where scriptures spell out clearly the Lords day is the first day or a new holy day the way God spelled out that the seventh day is the holy day of the Lord thy God i.e. Lords day Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13. All examples have been outside of the Bible. The only trusted scripture is God’s Word.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I wondered about that myself. I suppose back then a day was measured from sunset to sunset.

Edit: Since the Jewish religious calendar counts days from sunset to sunset, Shabbat begins in the evening of what on the civil calendar is Friday.

Shabbat - Wikipedia

Yes, but God did not follow this when He decided the 7th day was the day of rest. He did make it clear that the morning to the evening was one day , not evening to evening. Humm. Another mystery.

 

[swordsman1]

Than it should be easy enough to find in scriptures, yet no one has been able to produce where scriptures spell out clearly the Lords day is the first day or a new holy day the way God spelled out that the seventh day is the holy day of the Lord thy God i.e. Lords day Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13. All examples have been outside of the Bible. The only trusted scripture is God’s Word.

And no one has been able to produce where the scriptures state that the term "the Lord's day" (κυριακή ημέρα) refers to the sabbath. The term only appears once.

 

[Strong in Him]

The debate is not all days are made by God, this is very true, God made everything. The question is which day did God set aside, sanctified, blessed, made holy and asked us to Remember and keep holy?

I know.
My answer is still that every day belongs to the Lord; I don't know about you, but I thank, worship and live for him and dedicate EVERY day to him, not just 1/7.

Besides, God said "on one day you will rest from your work". The Hebrews were not allowed to do any work on the Sabbath and had to rest - on pain of death, if I remember correctly.
As I don't work for 6 days a week, no one has ever been able to explain why, or how, to keep this one day of non work. Charitable work is apparently allowed on the Sabbath - that's all I do.

 

[timothyu]

My answer is still that every day belongs to the Lord

While this is true, of what purpose does it really serve? I'm sure the Adversary appreciates squabbling over it as it distracts us from the reality it is more important over who belongs to the Lord, not what day.

 

[Strong in Him]

While this is true, of what purpose does it really serve? I'm sure the Adversary appreciates squabbling over it as it distracts us from the reality it is more important over who belongs to the Lord, not what day.

Which is why I don't argue about which day belongs to him; just thank him that I belong to him every day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I know.
My answer is still that every day belongs to the Lord; I don't know about you, but I thank, worship and live for him and dedicate EVERY day to him, not just 1/7.

Besides, God said "on one day you will rest from your work". The Hebrews were not allowed to do any work on the Sabbath and had to rest - on pain of death, if I remember correctly.
As I don't work for 6 days a week, no one has ever been able to explain why, or how, to keep this one day of non work. Charitable work is apparently allowed on the Sabbath - that's all I do.

Yes, I worship God everyday, but God also specifically told us to keep holy the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11

God did not say “on one day you will rest from your work”. This is what God not only spoke, He wrote it with His own Finger and asked us to “Remember”

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Jesus said we can do good on the Sabbath and gave us a few examples of what that looks like. The main purpose of Sabbath is time with God. This is a holy day of communion with our Savior.

God bless

 

[timothyu]

The main purpose of Sabbath is time with God. This is a holy day of communion with our Savior.

Or is it a time to show respect for Him and what it took to create. Treading lightly on His day off.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And no one has been able to produce where the scriptures state that the term "the Lord's day" (κυριακή ημέρα) refers to the sabbath. The term only appears once.

Funny you mention this, because no one has been able to produce any scripture in the entire bible where God blessed the first day, or sanctified it, asked us to hallow the first day, made holy the first day, set it apart as a non-working day, told us it was His Sabbath day or the holy day of the Lord thy God and we should Remember it or said it was made for us (man) or is it a commandment of God or said it was a day we would worship Him on the New Heaven and New Earth. These scriptures are all reserved for the seventh day. So this one verse in Revelations that does not say the first day, God’s saints know which day it is, because it’s the only day from the beginning Genesis 2:1-3 until the end Isaiah 66:23 that God tells us it is His holy day. When we obey this commandment we are obeying God’s authority and not traditions, that Jesus warned us about. Matthew 15:3-9. Please let me know if you would like the scripture that matches each one of these statements. Due to time right now I did not quote it but would be happy to provide a little later. It’s in your bible though. God bless

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes, I worship God everyday, but God also specifically told us to keep holy the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11

How, and why, must I keep one day as being any more holy - i.e. set apart for God - than any of the others.

9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

I don't labour and do all my work; I don't have any work to do.

Jesus said we can do good on the Sabbath and gave us a few examples of what that looks like. The main purpose of Sabbath is time with God. This is a holy day of communion with our Savior.

Which I do every day.
EVERY day belongs to him, all time is HIS time.

 

[Servus]

I know.
My answer is still that every day belongs to the Lord; I don't know about you, but I thank, worship and live for him and dedicate EVERY day to him, not just 1/7.

Besides, God said "on one day you will rest from your work". The Hebrews were not allowed to do any work on the Sabbath and had to rest - on pain of death, if I remember correctly.
As I don't work for 6 days a week, no one has ever been able to explain why, or how, to keep this one day of non work. Charitable work is apparently allowed on the Sabbath - that's all I do.

It really has to do with going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday. Ellen White prophesied that the Roman Emperor Constantine making Sunday the day of worship a law is the Mark of the Beast, which ties in with Revelation 14:6-12. However it won't really become the Mark of the Beast until modern government makes it a law that Sunday church attendance is mandatory.

 

[Servus]

How about in favour of early day, non gentile fringe teachings that the pre-Pauline Apostles taught and were taught?

Please post documentation of it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How, and why, must I keep one day as being any more holy - i.e. set apart for God - than any of the others.

God gives us free will, so you don’t have to, but disobeying a commandment of God is considered sin 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. God told us to keep holy His seventh day Sabbath, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

I don't labour and do all my work; I don't have any work to do.

Do you not do dishes, or go shopping, garden work, or housework?

Which I do every day.
EVERY day belongs to him, all time is HIS time.

God separated the seventh day from all other days Genesis 1-3, Exodus 20:8-11 According to God only the seventh day is the holy day of the lord thy God in which He also commanded us to keep it holy.

 

[swordsman1]

Funny you mention this, because no one has been able to produce any scripture in the entire bible where God blessed the first day, or sanctified it, asked us to hallow the first day, made holy the first day, set it apart as a non-working day, told us it was His Sabbath day or the holy day of the Lord thy God and we should Remember it or said it was made for us (man) or is it a commandment of God or said it was a day we would worship Him on the New Heaven and New Earth. These scriptures are all reserved for the seventh day.

God never asked US to hallow the day.... or told US it was his holy day.... or that WE should remember it... (US being gentile Christians). However to whom those scriptures were addressed is not the subject of this topic so I will refrain from elaborating in order not to derail the topic.

So this one verse in Revelations that does not say the first day, God’s saints know which day it is, because it’s the only day from the beginning Genesis 2:1-3 until the end Isaiah 66:23 that God tells us it is His holy day.

God's saints to whom Revelation was addressed would have known exactly what John meant by "the Lord's day" (κυριακή ημέρα). The term was already in widespread use in Christian communities at the time to refer to Sunday, the day on which they worshipped.

 

[timothyu]

How, and why, must I keep one day as being any more holy - i.e. set apart for God - than any of the others.

?

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This scripture was not considered necessary to show you were a Jew, let alone of the Hebrew nation. So there was no amendment made regarding this.

 

[timothyu]

Please post documentation of it.

Everything Jesus said

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God never asked US to hallow the day.... or told US it was his holy day.... or that WE should remember it... (US being gentile Christians). However to whom those scriptures were addressed is not the subject of this topic so I will refrain from elaborating in order not to derail the topic.



God's saints to whom Revelation was addressed would have known exactly what John meant by "the Lord's day" (κυριακή ημέρα). The term was already in widespread use in Christian communities at the time to refer to Sunday, the day on which they worshipped.

Where is the covenant that God made with the Gentiles, maybe you can provide that scripture please.


The Lords day in Revelations is missing text the first day, because the first day is not the holy day of the Lord thy God. Isaiah 58:13. Notice it does not say the holy day of the Jews, it is the holy day of the Lord thy God and it is a commandment of God. Exodus 20:8-11 Which is why the Sabbath day will continue to be God’s chosen day of worship and not the first day in the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 for all Jews and Gentiles that are saved.