James and the Gospel

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It seems you have issues with Christians,
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Showing or reminding others their wrongs is not judging.
No it does not. The ministry killed not what was being ministered
for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

I only have issues with people who state you must obey the law as an entitlement to enter heaven. If they added they often failed themselves to obey the law it would be somewhat different. It is phariseeical to demand of others what you do not demand of yourself. Jesus had issues with such people, he reserved his harshest words for the religious who did that
 
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for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
God has said He will put His Laws in our hearts and minds. His Word in our hearts and mouths. It is not what was written that is or was the problem it is the ministry. It went from having to obey because we are being told by some outside source to wanting to obey from the inside through Christ.

I only have issues with people who state you must obey the law as an entitlement to enter heaven. If they added they often failed themselves to obey the law it would be somewhat different. It is phariseeical to demand of others what you do not demand of yourself. Jesus had issues with such people, he reserved his harshest words for the religious who did that
HOW CAN YOU judge such? If we do not follow Christ's work in the heart and mind what are we following?
 
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God has said He will put His Laws in our hearts and minds. His Word in our hearts and mouths. It is not what was written that is or was the problem it is the ministry. It went from having to obey because we are being told by some outside source to wanting to obey from the inside through Christ.

HOW CAN YOU judge such? If we do not follow Christ's work in the heart and mind what are we following?
Righteousness of obeying the law was what condemned man. And reading through this thread it seems you have tried to reinvent it. Believers will not be judged on obeying the ten commandments. Believers have but one righteousness, faith in Christ. They do not have a righteousness of obeying the law. If you tell people they will be judged according to obeying the ten commandments, in the real world people will still live under righteousness of obeying the law.
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Romans10:4
Honesty matters in Christianity. If you want to be honest admit you yourself cannot obey the letter of the ten commandments. People need honesty, not doctrine that the people making it cannot attain to. Here is the covenant the christian is under:

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds
.”

17 Then he adds:

Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.

Heb10:16&17
Yes, God wrote His law in our hearts and minds, meaning in our hearts we want to follow it. Because that is what we want, our sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. To say we will be judged by whether we obey the ten commandments is to negate the new covenant at its core. Jesus died to pay the penalty of your transgressions of the law/your sin. Don't ignore it!
 
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Righteousness of obeying the law was what condemned man. And reading through this thread it seems you have tried to reinvent it. Believers will not be judged on obeying the ten commandments. Believers have but one righteousness, faith in Christ. They do not have a righteousness of obeying the law. If you tell people they will be judged according to obeying the ten commandments, in the real world people will still live under righteousness of obeying the law.
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Romans10:4
Honesty matters in Christianity. If you want to be honest admit you yourself cannot obey the letter of the ten commandments. People need honesty, not doctrine that the people making it cannot attain to. Here is the covenant the christian is under:

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds
.”

17 Then he adds:

Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.

Heb10:16&17
Yes, God wrote His law in our hearts and minds, meaning in our hearts we want to follow it. Because that is what we want, our sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. To say we will be judged by whether we obey the ten commandments is to negate the new covenant at its core. Jesus died to pay the penalty of your transgressions of the law/your sin. Don't ignore it!
Before we continue what is it you think sin is? What defines it?
 
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Does sin still exist?
If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
Let me save you the trouble.
The law still exists, it was not abolished, righteousness of obeying the law was abolished
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Romans10:4

Now please answer a question
If righteousness of obeying the law has ended, how can a person be judged righteous to attain to Heaven based on whether they obeyed the ten commandments?
 
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This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds
.”

17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.

What is being preached here is half a covenant. The law being in the heart and mind of the believer. But God did not make half a covenant, but a complete one. If the law is in your heart, you in your heart want to follow the law placed there, obviously, that is why your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. To say because the law is in your heart you are free to follow it, but it will still condemn you if you fail to obey it, it is to negate the second half of the covenant and ignore the main message of the person who wrote half the books of the new testement.
So why do people do it? The bible is a spiritual message, that can only be understood through the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. NOT through reading ancient texts such as the Aramaic or Greek, nor through searching out strongs concordance. The Holy Spirit does not rely on you needing those things to learn the truth.
The natural mind will not and cannot accept the whole covenant, for it makes no sense to the rational mind of man As sin is the transgression of the law, Paul's main message is:
Die to a belief your sin can condemn you and sin shall not be your master
For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace Romans6:14

The message being preached here is nothing like that. It still amounts to 'obey the law or you will be judged by it'/Ten Commandments.
In my experience those who preach such law you will be judged by least follow the law they tell you must be obeyed. That has been my experience over decades.
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56. Therefore, leave a persons judgement based on whether they obeyed the ten commandments/righteousness of obeying the law and you leave the power of sin alive and well in their life
 
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Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically proclaim something other than what he practiced. Christ is one with the Father, so he was not in disagreement with anything that He commanded. Favoritism is nevertheless not one of the Ten Commandments, so what James was referring to should not be interpreted as referring to just the Ten Commandments. The Father did not mislead the Israelites by leading them in the wrong direction by giving them the gift of the Mosaic Law and the example that Jesus set for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to it also did not lead us in the wrong direction.
The law gives you the knowledge of your sinfulness.

The law also rightly condemns you and so it should.

No matter how much you try to obey the ten commandments, you only will ever get a deeper knowledge of your sinfulness. That was the whole purpose of the law, to make you realize your desperate need for the messiah.

The law does not grant eternal life. There is no power in the law just condemnation.
 
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If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
Let me save you the trouble.
The law still exists, it was not abolished, righteousness of obeying the law was abolished
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Romans10:4
Rom 10:8 If the faith that we preach is The word in the heart and mouth through Christ, the Law in the hearts and minds. It is the ministration that was done away with not what was written.

Now please answer a question
If righteousness of obeying the law has ended, how can a person be judged righteous to attain to Heaven based on whether they obeyed the ten commandments?
We will be rendered according to our deeds. Glory honor, peace to all that worketh good. But anguish and tribulation to all that worketh evil. In that they do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, and in their minds. The word in their heart and mouth, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another) IN THE DAY that God shall JUDGE the secrets of men by Jesus Christ by my Gospel. The goods news of the changed heart. ONE OF FAITH. One that obeys because they want to through the changed heart and mind through God's Spirit not because have to because they are ordered to.


Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 
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Rom 10:8 If the faith that we preach is The word in the heart and mouth through Christ, the Law in the hearts and minds. It is the ministration that was done away with not what was written.

We will be rendered according to our deeds. Glory honor, peace to all that worketh good. But anguish and tribulation to all that worketh evil. In that they do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, and in their minds. The word in their heart and mouth, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another) IN THE DAY that God shall JUDGE the secrets of men by Jesus Christ by my Gospel. The goods news of the changed heart. ONE OF FAITH. One that obeys because they want to through the changed heart and mind through God's Spirit not because have to because they are ordered to.


Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast
Eph2:8&9
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Romans1:21&22
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Rom1:17
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Rom3:31(take note!)
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law/righteousness of obeying the law, but under grace/a righteousness of faith in Christ Rom6:14 take note!.
We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. Gal2:16&17
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. Gal3:10&11
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Gal5:6
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. Phil3:9

For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. Romans 4:14&15
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it James2:10
Why are you under a curse if you rely on obeying the law?(Gal3:10&11) Because you have to do everything written in the law(everything)
Why does law bring wrath? Because you have to perfectly obey it to be justified under it.
James agrees break one law you are guilty of breaking them all.
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matthew7:2
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56
As you do not fully obey the law, that leaves you in a lot of trouble doesn't it.
Yes, grace changes people, living outside of righteousness of obeying the law, brings far more obedience than preaching judgement based on obeying the ten commandments. That's Paul's core message, but you do not understand it, and you do not quote your verses bearing that in mind.
Believers have but one righteousness, faith in Christ, only through that knowledge can you truly live as God desires you to live, and in that knowledge is victory in your life(Rom3:31&Rom6:14)
Do you even try to obey each and every commandment of Christ in the Gospels?No you don't do you. But you will still quote the letter to tell others they should
The letter of the Ten Commandments does indeed kill, as scripture tells us, if you do not understand that, I wish your eyes could be opened to it. You do know that in order to obey the Ten Commandments you must obey the law that no one but you and God need know you break don't you? And you must perfectly obey it. The letter states: Thou shalt not. No wiggle room for error. Remember Matt7:2
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Romans2:13 applies to those who live under the law(verse12) if you live under the law you are obviously justified by obeying it, believers do not live under the law
 
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The deal is, you surrender your life to Christ, and ask him to be your Lord and Saviour. The Holy Spirit then writes the law in your mind God wants you to follow and places it in your heart, which means, in your mind you know how God wants you to live and in your heart you want to live that way. There are many trials along the way, for though we want Jesus to be our Lord and Saviour, we often want to cling to things we should not. Spirit against flesh, But as the law is in your heart, you will be struck with a very bad conscience when you do not follow the right path, and you will have no rest and no peace until you get back on it.. So the covenant is full proof, it must be for God made it!
For those who wish to concentrate on law to be justified for Heaven, they will always be guilty, for they never reach the pass mark to be justified under it, which is 100% obedience. Out of reach for man and woman.
You have to quote the bible in light of knowing the truth, law brings wrath, and you are cursed if you rely on it, that's what the bible states. Live under a righteousness of faith in Christ, and understand what is written on that basis
 
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In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover lamb, however, instead of concluding that we no longer need to keep Passover, he concluded in verse 8 that we should therefore continue to keep it, which is the opposite point you are trying to make by quoting verse 7. To keep Passover is to testify that what it teaches us about the nature of Christ is true, while to refuse to keep it is to deny the truth of what it teaches us about the nature of Christ.
What feast? To continue to keep the Passover? How? The context is not the festival but excommunication of a believer who is caught in sin, being leavened and refuses to repent, and how that relates to Christ as our Passover and the permanent attributes received from us partaking of the Lamb. By continuing to sacrifice the Passover we are acting as if He was not. The gift of Christ as our Passover and it's attributes are permanent. One and done. We are forever in the feast partaking of the Lamb being sanctified through His blood.

Christ is also our sin offering, and sanctifier. The Laws pertaining to sacrifices, and ceremonies pertaining to our sin and the temple service are fulfilled in Christ and nailed to the Cross too.

1Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
 
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Man has always been blessed by "The Law Of Liberty" which is God's Love, Mercy and Forgiveness. "The Royal Law" which Christ condensed into Love Of God and Neighbor is perfect, the problem is, we are not. Some will say that gives the believer a license to sin but like Paul said "God forbid".
 
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For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast
Eph2:8&9
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Romans1:21&22
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Rom1:17
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Rom3:31(take note!)
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law/righteousness of obeying the law, but under grace/a righteousness of faith in Christ Rom6:14 take note!.
We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. Gal2:16&17
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. Gal3:10&11
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Gal5:6
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. Phil3:9

For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. Romans 4:14&15
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it James2:10
Why are you under a curse if you rely on obeying the law?(Gal3:10&11) Because you have to do everything written in the law(everything)
Why does law bring wrath? Because you have to perfectly obey it to be justified under it.
James agrees break one law you are guilty of breaking them all.
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matthew7:2
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56
As you do not fully obey the law, that leaves you in a lot of trouble doesn't it.
Yes, grace changes people, living outside of righteousness of obeying the law, brings far more obedience than preaching judgement based on obeying the ten commandments. That's Paul's core message, but you do not understand it, and you do not quote your verses bearing that in mind.
Believers have but one righteousness, faith in Christ, only through that knowledge can you truly live as God desires you to live, and in that knowledge is victory in your life(Rom3:31&Rom6:14)
Do you even try to obey each and every commandment of Christ in the Gospels?No you don't do you. But you will still quote the letter to tell others they should
The letter of the Ten Commandments does indeed kill, as scripture tells us, if you do not understand that, I wish your eyes could be opened to it. You do know that in order to obey the Ten Commandments you must obey the law that no one but you and God need know you break don't you? And you must perfectly obey it. The letter states: Thou shalt not. No wiggle room for error. Remember Matt7:2
You are all over the place and we have not told any to do anything.

If the law is in the Heart and mind, His Word is in the heart and mouth How can we be separated from it unless we go against that which He has accomplished through His Spirit. It is not us but Christ. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. Behold all things are new and of God and He has given us this ministry of reconciliation, the reformation.
Lo we come in the volume of the book that it is written of us, to do THY will oh God. HE has taken away the first and Established the second. By which we are Sanctified, set apart for Holy use once and for all. Perfecting forever also us whom are sanctified. This perfection the Holy Ghost has also witness for He has said, He will put His laws into our hearts and into our minds and our sins will no longer be brought to remembrance. Because we who have been purged shall have no more conscience of sin for our hearts and minds, Our inner man have been changed. The Way into the holiest of ALL now manifested through the veil that is to say His flesh. Let us draw near having our hearts, who we are sprinkled from that evil conscience, who we were outside of Christ. With Full assurance of the Faith that comes and is of the NEW Heart and mind. Not forsaking one another but Considering one another, and provoking one another in Love and in good works. FOR IF WE keep on SINNING WILLFULLY after we receive the knowledge of what is being shared here there remains no more sacrifice for sins but a fear looking forward to that fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversaries. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God. But vengeance is His and He will recompense and Judge His people. But we must call into remembrance when we were once illuminated. Cast not away therefore your confidence, that which hath great recompence of reward.
For we have need of patience, cheerfully enduring, after we have done the will of God, we might receive the promise. Now the just shall live by faith, the new heart and mind: but if any man draw back, Be sinning willfully my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, DESTRUCTION; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
Heb 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
Heb 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


BTW
Romans2:13 applies to those who live under the law(verse12) if you live under the law you are obviously justified by obeying it, believers do not live under the law
No verse 14 starts with the word "for" which means what follows it is directly connected. It gives the why and or How Gentiles can be judged. God has placed His word, His laws in the heart. So we are without excuse. We know the will of God and will be judged accordingly on the day the God will judge the secrets of man.



Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 
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Man has always been blessed by "The Law Of Liberty" which is God's Love, Mercy and Forgiveness. "The Royal Law" which Christ condensed into Love Of God and Neighbor is perfect, the problem is, we are not. Some will say that gives the believer a license to sin but like Paul said "God forbid".
The Law of Liberty is the engrafted word, the Word, His Laws in heart and mind. This includes what you say and and all that was written that pertains to Love of God and man.
 
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You are all over the place and we have not told any to do anything.

If the law is in the Heart and mind, His Word is in the heart and mouth How can we be separated from it unless we go against that which He has accomplished through His Spirit. It is not us but Christ. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. Behold all things are new and of God and He has given us this ministry of reconciliation, the reformation.
Lo we come in the volume of the book that it is written of us, to do THY will oh God. You have taken away the first and Established the second. By which we are Sanctified, set apart for Holy use once and for all. Perfecting forever also us whom are sanctified. This perfection the Holy Ghost has also witness for He has said, He will put His laws into our hearts and into our minds and our sins will no longer be brought to remembrance. Because we who have been purged shall have no more conscience of sin for our hearts and minds, Our inner man have been changed. The Way into the holiest of ALL now manifested through the veil that is to say His flesh. Let us draw near having our hearts, who we are sprinkled from that evil conscience, who we were outside of Christ. With Full assurance of the Faith that comes and is of the NEW Heart and mind. Not forsaking one another but Considering one another, and provoking one another in Love and in good works. FOR IF WE keep on SINNING WILLFULLY after we receive the knowledge of what is being shared here there remains no more sacrifice for sins but a fear looking forward to that fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversaries. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God. But vengeance is His and He will recompense and Judge His people. But we must call into remembrance when we were once illuminated. Cast not away therefore your confidence, that which hath great recompence of reward.
For we have need of patience, cheerfully enduring, after we have done the will of God, we might receive the promise. Now the just shall live by faith, the new heart and mind: but if any man draw back, Be sinning willfully my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, DESTRUCTION; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
Heb 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
Heb 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


No verse 14 starts with the word "for" which means what follows it is directly connected. It gives the why and or How Gentiles can be judged. God has placed His word, His laws in the heart. So we are without excuse. We know the will of God and will be judged accordingly on the day the God will judge the secrets of man.



Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Rom2:12&13
Don't take the context away from what is written. If you are under the law you will obviously be declared righteous by obeying the law!
As I could immediatley give you 20 verses of Paul that state the believer has no righteousness of obeying the law, it is interesting you try to make one verse contradict the 20.
Your quote from Rom ch1 does not concern those born again.
Let me repost:
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith Gal3:10&11
You rely on the works of the law don't you? For to you, you will be jiudged acording to your obedience to them.
or if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath Romans 4:4&15
How are you getting on obeying the ten commandments? Remember, break one you break them all
Do you even try and obey each and every command of Christ in the Gospels?

I have found with those who preach law it is just words that have no relevance to their own lives, they always fail the tests they set others. Which is what the Pharisees of Jesus day did of course
Beware of the yeast of the pharisees and saduccees which is hypocrisy Luke12:1
I won't put smiley faces up, take my advice, it shows little maturity
 
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This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit 1Cor2:12&13
We could say, those who allow themselves to be led of the rational mind will not understand what those say who allow themselves to follow after the Holy Spirit
God bless
 
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