Israel - Vaccination Rate Doesn’t Seem To Impact The Infection Rate

[whatbogsends]

And the evidence that vaccinated people who aren't limiting social contact are spreading the virus more than unvaccinated people who are social distancing is where?

It's an assessment.

Firstly, to be clear i didn't simply say "unvaccinated people who are social distancing", i specifically talked about limiting social interaction.

With limited social interaction, the capacity for spread is low. You can't infect someone you don't come into contact with.

With high social interaction - specifically indoor venues with large numbers of people - even with vaccines that reduce transmissibility, you have a much higher capacity for spread.

You're free to disagree with that assessment, and your free to cite any evidence you have which contradicts my assessment.

I would argue that my assessment is strengthened by newer information, at least in regards to delta.

"The bottom line was that, in contrast to the other variants, vaccinated people, even if they didn't get sick, got infected and shed virus at similar levels as unvaccinated people who got infected," Dr. Walter Orenstein, who heads the Emory Vaccine Center and who viewed the documents, told CNN.
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"Vaccines prevent more than 90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing infection or transmission," it reads. "Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination."

CDC document warns Delta variant appears to spread as easily as chicken pox and cause more severe infection - CNNPolitics

 

[sfs]

I would argue that my assessment is strengthened by newer information, at least in regards to delta.

The best information I've seen is that 1) those vaccinated with mRNA vaccines have a five-fold reduced risk of infection; 2) when infected have very similar peak viral loads as the unvaccinated; and 3) have high viral loads for a somewhat shorter period of time. Those seem like the relevant facts. What's not known is whether the high nasal viral load in the vaccinated translates into high infectivity.

 

[whatbogsends]

The best information I've seen is that 1) those vaccinated with mRNA vaccines have a five-fold reduced risk of infection; 2) when infected have very similar peak viral loads as the unvaccinated; and 3) have high viral loads for a somewhat shorter period of time. Those seem like the relevant facts. What's not known is whether the high nasal viral load in the vaccinated translates into high infectivity.

Do you have a source for this? Better information is always useful.

 

[FireDragon76]

The best information I've seen is that 1) those vaccinated with mRNA vaccines have a five-fold reduced risk of infection; 2) when infected have very similar peak viral loads as the unvaccinated; and 3) have high viral loads for a somewhat shorter period of time. Those seem like the relevant facts. What's not known is whether the high nasal viral load in the vaccinated translates into high infectivity.

Breakouts in New England where there were a high percentage of people vaccinated suggest the answer is "yes".

 

[sfs]

Breakouts in New England where there were a high percentage of people vaccinated suggest the answer is "yes".

There's no firm evidence from the Provincetown outbreak that the transmission was from vaccinated people, although it seems likely. But as I noted in the thread on the CDC report, conditions there were ideal for transmission, so it's hard to tell at this point whether vaccinated people were highly contagious or not. We don't even know whether the outbreak was driven primarily by one superspreading event or by lots of smaller scale transmission. But we're working on it.