• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Creationists: Explain your understanding of microevolution and macroevolution

Status
Not open for further replies.

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
I see that you had to strawman again. Observations of fossils can be experiments. An inability to understand this tells us that you do not understand the scientific method.
Whatever^2
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Hood was a loser.
Mar 11, 2017
21,624
16,321
55
USA
✟410,498.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Oh boy Hans, are you going to present experimental evidence of macroevolution? Perhaps you should try and figure out how microevolution works first.

I really hope it doesn't take 2000 years to figure out that macroevolution doesn't exist. I gave Frank a number to check out where microevolution ends and macroevolution starts but he doesn't have the chops to check it out.

That's not even what the 2000 years was doing in my post.

A more appropriate analogy would be: will people still be denying evolution for ideological reasons 2000 years after it was clearly demonstrated. Alas, given your example, I suspect the answer is yes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tas8831
Upvote 0

Frank Robert

Well-Known Member
Feb 18, 2021
2,389
1,169
KW
✟145,443.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Ask them.
No need too, they reviewed the math not your evolutionary fables.

You asked me the question, I gave you the answer. If you don't have the chops to check it out,
I gave you my reasons it doesn't matter to me what you believe and name calling won't get you to where you want be.

As I noted above: Nothing is stopping you from making the claim at PS that you met Miller's challenge. This could be a great opportunity for you, or not. I wish you would but my guess is that you will not.

You can take the opportunity and satisfy my curiosity or prove my prediction.

just keep on believing that bacteria can evolve into humans.
Notwithstanding your objection common descent is the accepted science.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: tas8831
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Hood was a loser.
Mar 11, 2017
21,624
16,321
55
USA
✟410,498.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Be patient Hans, even you can learn how to apply this math to DNA adaptive evolution. We almost have you understanding the "at least one rule" mathematics for the Kishony experiment. Did you know there is another way to model the Kishony experiment mathematically? It's a random walk process called a Markov Process. Ah, forget it, we better stick with the jr high school level math for now.

If there is a more condescending poster on this forum, I can't recall.
 
Upvote 0

Frank Robert

Well-Known Member
Feb 18, 2021
2,389
1,169
KW
✟145,443.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
If there is a more condescending poster on this forum, I can't recall.
Alan has a strange notion on how to influence people and win friends.
 
Upvote 0

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
That's not even what the 2000 years was doing in my post.

A more appropriate analogy would be: will people still be denying evolution for ideological reasons 2000 years after it was clearly demonstrated. Alas, given your example, I suspect the answer is yes.
Does that mean you aren't going to present any experimental evidence of macroevolution? Perhaps you want to use Subduction Zone's argument that observations are experiments?

I'm not denying evolution, I'm presenting the correct thermodynamics and mathematics of this physical process. Of course, I use observation for my evidence, observation of experiments. It's real, it's measurable, and it's repeatable! How many times does Kishony have to repeat his experiment for you to believe it?
 
Upvote 0

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
No need too, they reviewed the math not your evolutionary fables.
Now you are a mind reader. Did you learn how to do that when you learned how to read fossil tea leaves?
I gave you my reasons it doesn't matter to me what you believe and name calling won't get you to where you want be.
I got your reason, you are chicken.
 
Upvote 0

pitabread

Well-Known Member
Jan 29, 2017
12,920
13,373
Frozen North
✟344,333.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
I'm presenting the correct thermodynamics and mathematics of this physical process.

e02e5ffb5f980cd8262cf7f0ae00a4a9_press-x-to-doubt-memes-memesuper-la-noire-doubt-meme_419-238.jpg
 
Upvote 0

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
If there is a more condescending poster on this forum, I can't recall.
Condescending with the correct physical and mathematical explanation of biological evolution. Would you care to make a guess at why it took 30 years for the Lenski populations to accumulate about 100 adaptive mutations? That's 500,000,000 million replications/day * 365days/year * 30 years! And Lenski ran his experiment in parallel * 12.
 
Upvote 0

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
Alan has a strange notion on how to influence people and win friends.
Oh no, Frank! OK, reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. Can we be friends now? Speaking of birds, you know that saying, what came first, the chicken or the egg? Shouldn't it be, what came first, two chickens or the egg?
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Hood was a loser.
Mar 11, 2017
21,624
16,321
55
USA
✟410,498.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Condescending with the correct physical and mathematical explanation of biological evolution. Would you care to make a guess at why it took 30 years for the Lenski populations to accumulate about 100 adaptive mutations? That's 500,000,000 million replications/day * 365days/year * 30 years! And Lenski ran his experiment in parallel * 12.

Do you actually read the specific posts you reply to, or do you just push forward your agenda willy-nilly? The post I was replying to was extremely condescending to me regarding your perception of my mathematical skills. For the record, you do not know my mathematical skills.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tas8831
Upvote 0

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
Do you actually read the specific posts you reply to, or do you just push forward your agenda willy-nilly? The post I was replying to was extremely condescending to me regarding your perception of my mathematical skills. For the record, you do not know my mathematical skills.
Let your light shine.
 
Upvote 0

Alan Kleinman

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2021
796
127
73
Coarsegold
✟23,304.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
you ain't worth it
Too bad, and I actually started to think that you understood the Kishony experiment. Perhaps you do and don't want to admit it.

Does that mean you are heading back to the peanut gallery on this thread, if so Adios?
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Hood was a loser.
Mar 11, 2017
21,624
16,321
55
USA
✟410,498.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Too bad, and I actually started to think that you understood the Kishony experiment. Perhaps you do and don't want to admit it.

Does that mean you are heading back to the peanut gallery on this thread, if so Adios?

Again, you either fail to comprehend the context of the message or choose not to.

I do not feel like taking your "math quiz" as you assess my worthiness to discuss your work.

I learned more from the 3 minute video you posted about the Kishony experiment than 3+ days of your postings.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tas8831
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Hood was a loser.
Mar 11, 2017
21,624
16,321
55
USA
✟410,498.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Perhaps you want to use Subduction Zone's argument that observations are experiments?

If you really don't understand how observation and field work can be experiments, then there is really no hope for you to understand the nature of science, particularly as related to a science like evolution.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: tas8831
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
I was going to say, thanks for the offer. But why not? Tell us what is evidence and what isn't. Let's see if I can remember anything from my psychiatry lectures in medical school. I hope we don't have to 5150 you.

I would suggest an apology for violating the rules of the forum if you want me to proceed.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Does that mean you aren't going to present any experimental evidence of macroevolution? Perhaps you want to use Subduction Zone's argument that observations are experiments?

I'm not denying evolution, I'm presenting the correct thermodynamics and mathematics of this physical process. Of course, I use observation for my evidence, observation of experiments. It's real, it's measurable, and it's repeatable! How many times does Kishony have to repeat his experiment for you to believe it?

I see you are still using strawman arguments. And after I tried to make your error even clearer to you. How do you expect to learn when you effectively shut your mind down to new information?
 
  • Optimistic
Reactions: tas8831
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.