Would you prefer it if “Christian universalism” were true?

[Cormack]

You do want justice to be done?

Doesn’t the cross of Christ serve justice perfectly well without the need for plain men, women (and maybe children) to be punished forever?

If Jesus’ blood is enough to see justice served in our case, why not in theirs too.

Like earlier in the topic, I’m not sure that justice is left to decay under universalism, and I’m not sure how justice is truly served by inflicting an eternity’s worth of torment for what is at worst a misspent sixty or seventy years.

 

[Clare73]

I find prayer and contemplation to be enlightening.

...IMO.

It's all one and the same for me.

 

[Clare73]

Doesn’t the cross of Christ serve justice perfectly well without the need for plain men, women (and maybe children) to be punished forever?
If Jesus’ blood is enough to see justice served in our case, why not in theirs too.
Like earlier in the topic, I’m not sure that justice is left to decay under universalism, and I’m not sure how justice is truly served by inflicting an eternity’s worth of torment for what is at worst a misspent sixty or seventy years.

And God knows. . .your judgment is truth.

 

[Landon Caeli]

It's all one and the same for me.

Congratulations, BTW, on being part of the 10,000+ posts club. I noticed you're also a new member.

 

[Clare73]

Congratulations, BTW, on being part of the 10,000+ posts club. I noticed you're also a new member.

Thanks! And same to you!

 

[Daniel Marsh]

So for everyone who isn’t a believer in the universal reconciliation of all things, would you prefer that universalism were true?

A simple yes or no answer to start your response would be great, then the rationale behind why you have picked either yes or no.

If you mean everyone goes to heaven after a post death education and repent choice, yes.

 

[Saint Steven]

Doesn’t the cross of Christ serve justice perfectly well without the need for plain men, women (and maybe children) to be punished forever?

If Jesus’ blood is enough to see justice served in our case, why not in theirs too.

Like earlier in the topic, I’m not sure that justice is left to decay under universalism, and I’m not sure how justice is truly served by inflicting an eternity’s worth of torment for what is at worst a misspent sixty or seventy years.

YES! Jesus payment was sufficient. PAID IN FULL !!!

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[AV1611VET]

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yup.

Enough "food" for everyone who ever lived, and probably more.

Just come and get it -- or you'll starve to death.

Those at the Marriage Supper will be there because they got under the umbrella of God's salvation on their own free will.

No one is going to be dragged to the table.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yup.

Enough "food" for everyone who ever lived, and probably more.

Just come and get it -- or you'll starve to death.

Those at the Marriage Supper will be there because they got under the umbrella of God's salvation on their own free will.

No one is going to be dragged to the table.

Thanks, but I'm already familiar with the party line.

Here's a few more from the other side of the table. - lol

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

 

[Saint Steven]

No one is going to be dragged to the table.

Not so sure about that.

John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks, but I'm already familiar with the party line.

Here's a few more from the other side of the table. - lol

What's the deal with Christ dying for the whole human race?

Walmart is open to the entire public.

That doesn't mean they send people out and drag them inside their stores.

Thanks to Jesus Christ, we're all potential sons of God by adoption.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not so sure about that.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[Saint Steven]

What's the deal with Christ dying for the whole human race? ...

Is that news to you?

 

[Saint Steven]

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Bible versus Bible, who wins?
What do we do with the contradictions?

Saint Steven said: ↑
Not so sure about that.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

 

[Servus]

Yup.

Enough "food" for everyone who ever lived, and probably more.

Just come and get it -- or you'll starve to death.

Those at the Marriage Supper will be there because they got under the umbrella of God's salvation on their own free will.

No one is going to be dragged to the table.

So hell being our automatic default state because of Adam, is fantastic.

But heaven being our automatic default state because of Jesus, is a violation of our rights.

 

[Saint Steven]

So hell being our automatic default state because of Adam, is fantastic.

But heaven being our automatic default state because of Jesus, is a violation of our rights.

Right. That makes as much sense as Jesus needing to die to save us from God.
Jesus says:

Luke 12:57 NIV
“Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?

 

[AV1611VET]

So hell being our automatic default state because of Adam, is fantastic.

But heaven being our automatic default state because of Jesus, is a violation of our rights.

However you look at it, freewill is the answer to your "dilemma".

I guarantee you, universalism will ensure most people will get their "automatic default state".

 

[Saint Steven]

However you look at it, freewill is the answer to your "dilemma".

I guarantee you, universalism will ensure most people will get their "automatic default state".

Wow. Now you are making guarantees from your ignorance about Universalism?

Quotes from the Early Church Fathers on Biblical Universalism
Quotes by Early Church Fathers on Universalism

Universalism
The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church
During Its First Five Hundred Years
Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow. Now you are making guarantees from your ignorance about Universalism.

Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

 

[Servus]

However you look at it, freewill is the answer to your "dilemma".

I guarantee you, universalism will ensure most people will get their "automatic default state".

Ah yes the ol you're going to hell for not believing in hell judgement.