More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

[ralliann]

Do you have any credible evidence for this?

yeah he admitted it right on television. He told people masks were ineffective because there was not enough of them. That was before he said masks were needed. He also lied about the Chinese, gain of function, evidence of origin. There is correspondence showing otherwise....BLAH BLAH.

 

[expos4ever]

What consequences do you think a person should face for being cautious about what substances they have injected into their body after hearing of other people being seriously injured or even dying after they received the same substance?

Boy, talk about "framing".

You are, as you often do, presenting the issue in a highly distorted way.

The reality, I suggest is this: there is a pandemic raging. There are variants arising, some clearly more transmissible and more dangerous. Covid is highly contagious. The fewer people who get vaccinated, the more risk to rest of us as these variants are fuelled by those who refuse vaccination. In short, the anti-vaxxers presents a very real and present danger to all of humanity.

Now then: having laid out the facts that you artfully concealed, let us then revisit your question:

What consequences do you think a person should face for being cautious about what substances they have injected into their body after hearing of other people being seriously injured or even dying after they received the same substance?

Answer: They should be subjected to crushing social pressure to stop putting exagerated fears ahead of their responsibility to behave as responsible citizens.

As another poster has stated: I am all for shaming the anti-vaxxer.

 

[ralliann]

Boy, talk about "framing".

You are, as you often do, presenting the issue in a highly distorted way.

The reality, I suggest is this: there is a pandemic raging. There are variants arising, some clearly more transmissible and more dangerous. Covid is highly contagious. The fewer people who get vaccinated, the more risk to rest of us as these variants are fuelled by those who refuse vaccination. In short, the anti-vaxxers presents a very real and present danger to all of humanity.

Now then: having laid out the facts that you artfully concealed, let us then revisit your question:

What consequences do you think a person should face for being cautious about what substances they have injected into their body after hearing of other people being seriously injured or even dying after they received the same substance?

Answer: They should be subjected to crushing social pressure to stop putting exagerated fears ahead of their responsibility to behave as responsible citizens.

As another poster has stated: I am all for shaming the anti-vaxxer.

And how does that pressure come about? Censorship, job loss. While we don't even know the important facts. How risky for serious results is there from getting covid for young adults, and even more so minor children? Do you care? Do you care that pushing this, young adults, Young Mothers, children might suffer harm, and the ability to even know if it was even necessary can't be known? Or should we try to find out by testing?

 

[expos4ever]

yeah he admitted it right on television. He told ppeople masks were ineffective because there was not enough of them. That was before he said masks were needed. He also lied about the chinese, gain of function, evidence of origin. BLAH BLAH

You are misleading the reader and getting perilously close to outright hypocrisy when you accuse others of lying. You have zero evidence that Fauci lied about mask effectiveness. But prove me wrong - present your evidence.

It is always the same with you guys - a litany of distortions and outright falsehoods.

And unlike you, I can support my accusations with evidence - a cursory review of threads on this very site would make my case. Want me do so?

Time to take responsibility for your claims (although I am certain you will not):

- when did Fauci lie about "the chinese"?
- when did Fauci lie about "gain of function"?
- when did Fauci lie about "evidence of origin"?

 

[ralliann]

You are misleading the reader and getting perilously close to outright hypocrisy when you accuse others of lying. You have zero evidence that Fauci lied about mask effectiveness. But prove me wrong - present your evidence.

He admitted to lying right on T.V. But you won't accept that. He did it for the greater good. He admitted it.

It is always the same with you guys - a litany of distortions and outright falsehoods.

And unlike you, I can support my accusations with evidence - a cursory review of threads on this very site would make my case. Want me do so?

Time to take responsibility for your claims (although I am certain you will not):

- when did Fauci lie about "the chinese"?
- when did Fauci lie about "gain of function"?
- when did Fauci lie about "evidence of origin"?

DITTO. Nothin to see here, nothin to dicuss. So everyone just shut up and obey.

 

[ralliann]

You are misleading the reader and getting perilously close to outright hypocrisy when you accuse others of lying.

Good employee for facebook or google, you tube. Have you applied? Then you can just censor what so ever and whomsoever.

You have zero evidence that Fauci lied about mask effectiveness. But prove me wrong - present your evidence.

Then this will be the result.....

It is always the same with you guys - a litany of distortions and outright falsehoods.

And not even have to deal like this.

 

[expos4ever]

He admitted to lying right on T.V.

You are not telling the truth.

He never admitted to lying.

By all means, prove me wrong - post a clip where Dr. Fauci admitted lying.

It should not need to be said but:

- changing your position on a matter does not make you a liar.
- being genuinely mistaken about something does not make you a liar.

 

[Aldebaran]

Boy, talk about "framing".

You are, as you often do, presenting the issue in a highly distorted way.

The reality, I suggest is this: there is a pandemic raging. There are variants arising, some clearly more transmissible and more dangerous. Covid is highly contagious. The fewer people who get vaccinated, the more risk to rest of us as these variants are fuelled by those who refuse vaccination. In short, the anti-vaxxers presents a very real and present danger to all of humanity.

Now then: having laid out the facts that you artfully concealed, let us then revisit your question:

What consequences do you think a person should face for being cautious about what substances they have injected into their body after hearing of other people being seriously injured or even dying after they received the same substance?

Answer: They should be subjected to crushing social pressure to stop putting exagerated fears ahead of their responsibility to behave as responsible citizens.

As another poster has stated: I am all for shaming the anti-vaxxer.

Do you believe all those people in the video that were telling about what injuries and pain they've had to endure (and may have to for the rest of their lives) should be shamed for speaking out?

 

[Aldebaran]

You are not telling the truth.

He never admitted to lying.

By all means, prove me wrong - post a clip where Dr. Fauci admitted lying.

It should not need to be said but:

- changing your position on a matter does not make you a liar.
- being genuinely mistaken about something does not make you a liar.

Fauci says he doesn't regret telling Americans not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic

• "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs," he said.

 

[Bobber]

Answer: They should be subjected to crushing social pressure to stop putting exagerated fears ahead of their responsibility to behave as responsible citizens.

Ha. Well I think some who might like to do that might think twice doing that if the one they might want to bully might decide what type of inheritance they get. (if any) I assume you're talking about things like disowning family members and the like? The other might say OK go for it if you're sure that's what you want to do.

 

[pitabread]

Fauci says he doesn't regret telling Americans not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic

• "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs," he said.

Which makes perfect sense conserving PPE for critical areas (e.g. medical workers). People have to remember that due to an initial shortage in PPE, hospital workers were improvising.

 

[Aldebaran]

Which makes perfect sense conserving PPE for critical areas (e.g. medical workers). People have to remember that due to an initial shortage in PPE, hospital workers were improvising.

Then he really did lie when he said not to wear masks because they aren't effective.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

He added: "I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."
Fauci said masks "not really effective," email reveals

 

[JustSomeBloke]

They should be subjected to crushing social pressure to stop putting exagerated fears ahead of their responsibility to behave as responsible citizens.

I reject your call for medical fascism.

 

[expos4ever]

Fauci says he doesn't regret telling Americans not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic

• "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs," he said.

How does this statement possibly help your case? It actually demonstrates that Dr. Fauci is a rational human being.

Wish that was contagious.......

 

[expos4ever]

Do you believe all those people in the video that were telling about what injuries and pain they've had to endure (and may have to for the rest of their lives) should be shamed for speaking out?

I wrote nothing that any reasonable person could take as remotely supporting such a position.

 

[expos4ever]

I reject your call for medical fascism.

Should we not shame:

- drunk drivers
- people who consume kiddie porn
- bullies

If you agree that we should shame such people, why should we do so? And take care - your words will be carefully weighed to see if your position that these behaviours should be shamed squares with your position that anti-vaxxers should not.

 

[expos4ever]

Ha. Well I think some who might like to do that might think twice doing that if the one they might want to bully might decide what type of inheritance they get.

Not a very convincing argument. Assuming that it is ethical to shame anti-vaxxers, and I believe it is, I would be compromising on ethics if I allowed financial motives to silence me.

 

[expos4ever]

Then he really did lie when he said not to wear masks because they aren't effective.

Is this a lie, yes or no?

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."

If it is a lie, what exactly is the lie? Remember: it is not a lie to say something that later turns out to be true, but that you honestly believed was true when you said it.

How is this remotely a lie?

"I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Should we not shame:

- drunk drivers
- people who consume kiddie porn
- bullies

No, we shouldn't seek to publicly shame those people. Public shaming belongs to another era, as does putting people in the pillory and pelting them with rotten food. Most of us have moved on from public shaming, although I note that a new kind of public shaming is now on the rise, commonly called the 'twitter pile on', 'trial by twitter', or more broadly, 'cancel culture'.

If people have broken the laws they live under, or rules relating to their place of education or employment, then due process should be followed. That means there should be an investigation, a trial if laws have been broken, or a disciplinary if the rules of their place of employment or education have been broken.

Maybe you support extrajudicial forms of coercion and punishment, such as public shaming, but I do not. Do you not understand the importance of following due process, and serving justice through the proper channels?

If you agree that we should shame such people, why should we do so? And take care - your words will be carefully weighed to see if your position that these behaviours should be shamed squares with your position that anti-vaxxers should not.

Oh noes! Please don't way my words carefoolly. I hates it when peeples do that word waying thing to me.

 

[Aldebaran]

How does this statement possibly help your case? It actually demonstrates that Dr. Fauci is a rational human being.

Wish that was contagious.......

I'm glad you agree that rational human beings don't tell people to wear masks. Now, if we could only get rational people to be cautious about injecting unproven substances into their body, we'd finally have a rational society.