Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[durangodawood]

while correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation it's important to investigate if there is causation. Ignoring correlation is, therefore, ignorant.

Case in point... at one point smokers were dying and contracting diseases in the 10s of thousands, at greater magnitudes than the non-smoking portions of the population.

Should we have said "correlation doesn't mean causation" and ignored correlation as meaningless? Or are you happy that we began examining if there was any causation?

With something such as a vaccine that is fast becoming mandatory - ignoring correlation is to our peril if it does indeed equal causation in many cases.

But anecdotes dont even indicate a correlation. You need proper statistics to establish that.

 

[Hazelelponi]

But anecdotes dont even indicate a correlation. You need proper statistics to establish that.

We do - but we won't start getting them if we stick our heads in the sand and pretend the issues individuals are having after having taken the vaccine aren't worth hearing!

This is important because various employers, colleges and more are making the vaccine mandatory... we ought to know the real risk before being told we don't have the right to refuse.

 

[durangodawood]

We do - but we won't start getting them if we stick our heads in the sand and pretend the issues individuals are having aren't worth hearing!

This is important because in various jobs, colleges and more are making the vaccine mandatory... we ought to know the real risk before being told we don't have the right to refuse.

I totally agree with a proper study of the risks.

But anecdotes in the absence of statistics are meaningless in terms of safety. For all we know from anecdote, there could be a negative correlation with bad outcomes.

 

[cow451]

while correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation it's important to investigate if there is causation. Ignoring correlation is, therefore, ignorant.

Case in point... at one point smokers were dying and contracting diseases in the 10s of thousands, at far greater rates than the non-smoking portions of the population.

Should we have said "correlation doesn't mean causation" and ignored correlation as meaningless (Phillip Morris certainly wanted you to!) Or are you happy that we began examining if there was any causation?

With something such as a vaccine that is fast becoming mandatory - ignoring correlation is to our peril if it does indeed equal causation in many cases.

Is there a nicotine vaccination? Were cigarettes touted as preventing an infection during a pandemic? Didn’t think so.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I totally agree with a proper study of the risks.

But anecdotes in the absence of statistics are meaningless in terms of safety. For all we know from anecdote, there could be a negative correlation with bad outcomes.

A physician not long ago went to war with his son's college over making the vaccine mandatory for school attendance, because of the potential for heart problems in his son's age group caused by the vaccine.

The question is, can we make a vaccine mandatory that has the potential of being more dangerous to the vaccinated (of varying groups) than the disease itself.

We are only now finding out that vaccinating those who already have natural immunity (contracted the disease and recovered) might create harm for those getting the mrna vaccines... but what extent that might be we dont yet know... still needs studied.

Congressional hearings such as this are intended to push the scientific community to research this, and to determine to what extent the government should push mandatory vaccinations until we know the real data.

 

[cow451]

A physician not long ago went to war with his son's college over making the vaccine mandatory for school attendance, because of the potential for heart problems in his son's age group caused by the vaccine.

The question is, can we make a vaccine mandatory that has the potential of being more dangerous to the vaccinated (of varying groups) than the disease itself.

We are only now finding out that vaccinating those who already have natural immunity (contracted the disease and recovered) might create harm for those getting the mrna vaccines... but what extent that might be we dont yet know... still needs studied.

Congressional hearings such as this are intended to push the scientific community to research this, and to determine to what extent the government should push mandatory vaccinations until we know the real data.

The son can go to another college.

 

[Hazelelponi]

The son can go to another college.

not when every college is doing it.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Is there a nicotine vaccination? Were cigarettes touted as preventing an infection during a pandemic? Didn’t think so.

nope - yet the vaccine IS becoming mandatory in places. It's good to know the dangers FIRST when it's mandatory.

 

[cow451]

not when every college is doing it.

No they aren’t.

 

[cow451]

nope - yet the vaccine IS becoming mandatory in places. It's good to know the dangers FIRST when it's mandatory.

Maybe you should wait five years so you can know more.

 

[Hazelelponi]

No they aren’t.

many are, more are following...

 

[Hazelelponi]

Maybe you should wait five years so you can know more.

We can do that before allowing mandatory vaccinations.... that's what hearings like this are intended to consider.

 

[com7fy8]

At 16:38 Sheryl starts her testimony. She was among the first to get the COVID shots.

The morning after she got the shot, she had "severely swollen lymph nodes". She could barely move her neck. "Days later" she woke up with "stroke-like symptoms". She went to the E.R. and had burning and tingling and numbness.

17:45 > "Since then I have seen multiple neurologists, one of whom diagnosed me with vaccine-induced auto-immune neuropathy, although he did tell me that he was flying blind, because he had never seen a reaction like this to a vaccine, and hence doesn't know how to treat me."

And one neurologist diagnosed her with multiple sclerosis, even though her brain scan showed nothing of this.

She has gotten worse and worse symptoms, since then . . . "for the last five months."

She points out how she was healthy, before this >

19:16 > "And I also went to the doctor once a year for check-ups."

Her doctors can not tell her what will become of her.

She wants the CDC and FDA to acknowledge these neurological problems so there is more freedom to research this and help others who will have these vaccine-induced problems.

20:50 > "As it has been stated, I am pro-vaccine; I am definitely pro-science; but I am also pro-informed-consent. And these vaccine injuries are real, but people don't know. People need to understand that these reactions exist and that they need to be researched."

So, she says a neurologist did know what her problem is, but had never seen something like this, before, if I understand correctly.

So, this neurologist did not deny that the problem exists. But he admitted he did not know what to do.

My personal remarks >

> There are various medical conditions which are managed, but doctors don't know how to cure them.

> And even when people are clearly told about certain items, which have risks even of death . . . they still smoke, they still drive cars, on we could go. I have been told I could get cancer or salmonella by eating fruits and vegetables that are not organic; but guess what?

> By the way . . . again . . . she did say she is "pro-vaccine". To me, it is clear she is not trying to promote a political party, she knows how to communicate what she means, and she is not trying to put down the vaccine industry and mainstream medical practice > apparently, she is still seeing mainstream doctors; she did not say otherwise.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

No, just first-hand accounts of human suffering after trusting the vaccine pushers. Obviously nothing you'd be interested in.

Those are called anecdotes. I can just as easily put together testimony from people who’ve had the vaccine with no complications but I doubt you’d buy that as evidence of the vaccine’s safety.

 

[KCfromNC]

Do you realize that statistically, the data has been manipulated.

I don't know that anyone's presented evidence of this.

I know people dismiss VAERS entirely, but there have been more reported deaths from COVID vaccines then all other reported vaccine deaths since VAERS began in 1990. 6 months > 30 years.

It is also reported that it has improved 5G speed much more than other vaccines. I've read the reports myself.

 

[KCfromNC]

I don't have a different term, but it does seem like stacking the deck in one's favor. Heads I win tails you lose! No matter what evidence one has to show something different it's marginalized and set aside. One thing I've learned watching this whole process play out is just how easy information that deserves I believe a fair hearing it seems is just presumptuously thrown away and won't even be considered. That's what scares me more than covid itself....where exactly are we going as a culture.

I enjoyed the jump from "people who know what they're doing reject my opinion" to concluding "this is a problem with the culture". So close, but so far.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

It is also reported that it has improved 5G speed much more than other vaccines. I've read the reports myself.

But I'm still waiting to see if I end up being tracked by Bill or Melinda!

 

[KCfromNC]

But I'm still waiting to see if I end up being tracked by Bill or Melinda!

"while correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation it's important to investigate if there is causation. "

"we won't start getting them if we stick our heads in the sand and pretend the issues individuals are having after having taken the vaccine aren't worth hearing!"

 

[Hazelelponi]

Those are called anecdotes. I can just as easily put together testimony from people who’ve had the vaccine with no complications but I doubt you’d buy that as evidence of the vaccine’s safety.

are you against informed consent? Do you not believe people deserve to know the potential risks?

There are some drugs I feel the risks are too great, and I won't take as a result. others, I know the risks and don't mind taking the chance. It all depends - but it's being informed what the danger might be that's important, and making an informed decision.

Apparently some here are totally against informed consent.

 

[KCfromNC]

are you against informed consent? Do you not believe people deserve to know the potential risks?

Why would you ask this here? Are you not aware of the information given to people before getting the vaccine?

Seems a bit off topic given the reality on the ground.