More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

[whatbogsends]

Can you show us one expert who believes that the "28 day" rule was not the best that could have been done?

The initial methodology of the UK (created by "experts") was roundly criticized:

Concerns have been raised that the reported death toll in England appears so high in contrast to neighbouring countries because of flaws in the way PHE is compiling “out of hospital” death statistics, including anyone who has ever been diagnosed with COVID-19 — even if they did not necessarily die from the disease.

Epidemiologist Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and Professor Yoon Loke, from the University of East Anglia, said the figures record people who have ever tested positive for coronavirus and then have died.
...
“In summary, PHE’s definition of the daily death figures means that everyone who has ever had COVID at any time must die with COVID too. So, the COVID death toll in Britain up to July 2020 will eventually exceed 290k, if the follow-up of every test-positive patient is of long enough duration.”
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On the Government death statistics website for England, the issue is acknowledged, saying: “Deaths are counted where a lab-confirmed positive coronavirus test result is reported in any setting.

Experts question 'flawed' statistics over COVID-19 deaths (yahoo.com)

This article, although dated, discusses the US approach:

Many people who died of coronavirus were older and already fragile, weakened by heart disease or some other malady. So ascribing a single cause can be challenging.
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For months, most states reported only lab-confirmed cases and deaths, though many places didn't have enough accurate tests available to confirm every one.

Last month, the CDC told states to include probable COVID-19 cases in their reports to the agency. Probable coronavirus deaths don’t have positive test results but in which other evidence — like the symptoms and course of their disease, and exposure to infected people — points to the infection. Currently, 28 states count only lab-confirmed deaths, while 22 others include probable coronavirus cases, too.

CDC officials say they do not know what percentage of reported deaths are lab-confirmed and what percentage are probable.

Experts say US coronavirus death count is flawed, but close - ABC News (go.com)

The methodologies used are also being changed. If they weren't flawed to begin with, why would they change? We also have no guarantee that the new methodolgy isn't flawed, but hopefully, each new methodology is at least an improvement.

DUBLIN, Calif. — A Northern California county has changed its methodology to record coronavirus deaths, causing its fatality figures to decrease by 25%.

The official COVID-19 death count in Alameda County, in the San Francisco Bay Area, fell from 1,634 to 1,223 after officials changed the criteria for fatalities to match state and national definitions.

Previously, the county had included any person who died while infected with the virus. The Alameda County Public Health Department says its methodology change does not disproportionally impact reported deaths for any specific race, ethnic group or ZIP code. Statewide, more than 62,000 people have died from the coronavirus.

The Latest: County death toll falls with methodology change (yahoo.com)

 

[JustSomeBloke]

When people twist "science" into a weapon. Happened in Germany in the 1930s. Some of us will never forget, even if the rest do.

Have you seen what they're doing in Canada right now?

Canadian surgeon FIRED for voicing safety concerns over Covid jabs for children

Step out of line with 'the science', and they'll make sure you never work again. Silencing people by destroying their career is clearly a most unscientific, totalitarian, oppressive tactic. But that's what they're prepared to do to maintain control of the covid vaccine narrative.

That's not true...

Contrary to certain theories that are espoused, "Peer-reviewed" doesn't just mean "have a buddy check your work an sign off on it".

There's more process to it then that.

I have published my work in the peer-reviewed literature, and I've reviewed the work of others too, and supplied my comments and suggestions to the journal editor, so I know exactly what the process involves. However, I'm not under some illusion that everything published in peer-reviewed journals is 100% reliable. See the example below for the kind of stuff that can happen.

World's most famous medical journal The Lancet is accused of doing China's dirty work - by denouncing the Covid lab leak theory as a conspiracy, writes IAN BIRRELL

As I've said before, science and politics make very awkward and uncomfortable bedfellows.

I already did, if you go the to website and download their csv file, you can see reports like this:

No, you did not. I asked for examples of questionable death reports on VAERS.

Can you point me to the death reports on VAERS that look questionable?

You supplied me with some questionable adverse effect reports. I can accept that some men may feel a little mortified if they suffered penile shrinkage, but feeling mortified is not the same as dying.

---snipped from my previous post.
"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)" -- a very scientific description, and totally not a 16 year old kid trying to make cheesy anatomy jokes.

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS" -- I'm glad this person only got 'a touch' of the AIDS and not full blown AIDS...that could've been serious...and they almost spelled diarrhea correctly.

"I feel like <***> dude!" -- a very thorough assessment, I'm sure that's the official terminology they teach in med school.

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin" -- yeah, I'm sure that happened.


When you download that CSV file, the common theme you'll notice is that it's riddled with both nonsensical and almost a trolling type of material, and riddled with spelling errors. It's not a reliable source.

 

[Padres1969]

Out of a staff of 25,000. So, it's less than 1%. But still.

At least 153 employees of a Houston hospital — including nurses and other medical staff — were fired or resigned Tuesday after refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, one of the first mass terminations since vaccinations started in the U.S. this year, reinvigorating a national anti-vaccine movement.

The employees were given until midnight Tuesday to get vaccinated, and “very few” resigned or retired early to avoid vaccination, said Gale Smith, a hospital spokeswoman.

“Employees who did not meet the deadline were terminated effective today,” Smith said in a statement Tuesday. “The employees who became compliant during the suspension period returned to work the day after they became compliant.”

Of the hospital’s staff, 285 were granted medical or religious exemptions from the vaccine and 332 were allowed to defer it, Boom said, but most of the rest were vaccinated by the hospital’s deadline.

A Texas federal judge dismissed the employees’ case against the hospital earlier this month, rejecting their argument that the hospital was forcing them to take an experimental vaccine. (The case is being appealed.)

Nice to see sense prevail. The workers didn't want to get vaccinated and put patients at risk, and they get to reap the rewards of that foolishness. If only all stories had such logical and happy endings.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Have you seen what they're doing in Canada right now?

Canadian surgeon FIRED for voicing safety concerns over Covid jabs for children

Step out of line with 'the science', and they'll make sure you never work again. Silencing people by destroying their career is clearly a most unscientific, totalitarian, oppressive tactic. But that's what they're prepared to do to maintain control of the covid vaccine narrative.

This isn't just a case of "silencing someone", this is a case of a guy who was promoting conspiracy theories...

Controversial surgery professor suspended, terminated from key roles | The Star Phoenix

Just because he's a surgeon doesn't make him immune from being a conspiracy theorist or promoting false information in a medical specialty that's outside of his area of expertise.

If a person with a PhD in chemistry started claiming that the moon landing was faked or that the earth was flat, they'd probably be suspended as well.

No, you did not. I asked for examples of questionable death reports on VAERS.

I was providing example of the nature of unreliability of that particular reporting system.

If the adverse effects are subject to faulty and/or trolling user submissions, why would the death reports be any more accurate?

They provide this disclaimer before you download it:

Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines

VAERS itself is flat out saying "this is just an unreviewed, user-submitted system, don't use it draw conclusions"

 

[Mayzoo]

No hospital has the right to require employees take a person health risk. Tyranny and the sheepeople defend it in great ignorance. Freedom from harm is lost in the US. My advise to young people is leave while you can, if you can find a country where tyranny of the ignorant is not yet law.

Texas is an employment-at-will state. They can be fired for any lawful reason, period. No reason even needs to be given for why you were fired. The employee can of course sue, as these did, but if they cannot prove discrimination against a protected class or some other unlawful termination (firing a whistleblower, firing you because you refused to violate the law etc...), no foul and no case.

So, yes they have the right to fire anyone for any lawful reason. And in this case, unvaccinated people are not a protected class nor is it illegal to fire them.

Republican state=less government oversight, more corporate freedoms.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Texas is an employment-at-will state. They can be fired for any lawful reason, period. No reason even needs to be given for why you were fired. The employee can of course sue, but if they cannot prove discrimination against a protected class or some other unlawful termination (firing a whistleblower, firing you because you refused to violate the law etc...), no foul and no case.

So, yes they have the right to fire anyone for any lawful reason. And in this case, unvaccinated people are not a protected class nor is it illegal to fire them.

Republican state=less government oversight, more corporate freedoms.

I wasn't gonna go there (or was planning on saving it for a slam dunk for later lol), but yes...

The GOP, in the efforts to squash unionization, have supported "at-will" employment...at-will employment means the employer can set whatever policies they'd like.

 

[cow451]

I wasn't gonna go there (or was planning on saving it for a slam dunk for later lol), but yes...

The GOP, in the efforts to squash unionization, have supported "at-will" employment...at-will employment means the employer can set whatever policies they'd like.

Here we call it "fire-at-will" employment.

 

[ralliann]

True, but no employer is required to retain an employee who poses a risk to others.

How is that? Anyone at risk are the unvaccinated. So they have made a choice, be they workers or patients or anyone else they come into contact with, has also chosen to not get vaccinated.

 

[ralliann]

Hospitals absolutely have that right. Employees and medical staff can both catch and transmit communicable disease. Every hospital requires certain vaccinations and tests for disease like TB.

But the general population should be able to choose? If they have chosen to protect themselves then what is the problem? Anyone coming into contact with an unvaccinated person, has also chosen to not be vaccinated. They both had a choice.

 

[ralliann]

It is better to die as a martyr and have eternal life in heaven than take a vaccine and prove science correct.
Is that what the take away is?

What in the world is this about? Another slam against the church. I did not see that a topic for this thread to hate on the Church.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

What in the world is this about? Another slam against the church. I did not see that a topic for this thread to hate on the Church.

I mentioned no church, please stop putting your spin on my posts. You are free to get vaccinated or not, the hospital is free to fire those who will not follow the rules they set up. I don't care if people choose not to get vaccinated. Personally I support their decision, they just need to stay away from me.

 

[trunks2k]

But the general population should be able to choose? If they have chosen to protect themselves then what is the problem? Anyone coming into contact with an unvaccinated person, has also chosen to not be vaccinated. They both had a choice.

They aren't just a risk to unvaccinated people who made a choice not to be vaccinated. No vaccine is perfect, so there's some percentage of people who got vaccinated for whom the vaccine will not work for a variety of reasons. There's also people who would like to get vaccinated, but cannot get vaccinated.

 

[expos4ever]

Especially when Google and other social media don't want the evidence out there. That leaves it to Right wing news channels to carry the information so the Leftists can say, "Oh, a Right wing news source! I ain't gonna listen to what they say!"

Let's be clear about what you are doing. You are challenged to provide credible information to support your views. Since any source you can provide will not be credible, you are forced to resort to conspiracy-theory thinking.

You can make a case that the moon is made of green cheese using this approach.

 

[expos4ever]

How is that? Anyone at risk are the unvaccinated. So they have made a choice, be they workers or patients or anyone else they come into contact with, has also chosen to not get vaccinated.

I do not understand what you are saying. Surely it is obvious that a hospital is not obliged to retain employees who pose a health hazard.

 

[cow451]

But the general population should be able to choose? If they have chosen to protect themselves then what is the problem? Anyone coming into contact with an unvaccinated person, has also chosen to not be vaccinated. They both had a choice.

Healthcare workers come into regular contact with people having weakened systems. Therefore extra care is warranted.

 

[ralliann]

Healthcare workers come into regular contact with people having weakened systems. Therefore extra care is warranted.

Both have made that choice. The vaccinated are supposed to be protected. What is the point of being vaccinated if you have to worry about getting it?

 

[ralliann]

I do not understand what you are saying. Surely it is obvious that a hospital is not obliged to retain employees who pose a health hazard.

I am saying if people decide to not get vaccinated, then it is their decision. They decide to weigh the risk to themselves.

 

[cow451]

Both have made that choice. The vaccinated are supposed to be protected. What is the point of being vaccinated if you have to worry about getting it?

That's one of the healthcare systems want staff vaccinated. The other is the liability of a patient being infected by an vaccinated employee.

 

[expos4ever]

I am saying if people decide to not get vaccinated, then it is their decision. They decide to weigh the risk to themselves.

Agree, but a hospital also has the right to fire someone who elects not to get vaccinated.

 

[ralliann]

That's one of the healthcare systems want staff vaccinated. The other is the liability of a patient being infected by an vaccinated employee.

Why should they have the ability to sue? It was their choice to not get vaccinated. Just like the vaccinated cannot sue if the vaccine harms them.