Calvinism and its Secret Universalism

[Hammster]

What do you think Calvinists base their assurance on?

@Titus Dorn

 

[returntosender]

1John 3:15
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

A brother here is a brother in Christ. Gods word teaches that if a Christian hates his brother he does not have eternal life.

Hard to misunderstand.

That is to say, if he asks for forgiveness and repents for hating his brother he will not be forgiven and have eternal life?

 

[renniks]

What do you think Calvinists base their assurance on?

Being chosen?

 

[Hammster]

Being chosen?

So you don’t really know anything about Calvinism.

 

[renniks]

So you don’t really know anything about Calvinism.

I know more than most calvinists.

 

[Hammster]

I know more than most calvinists.

Maybe. But not about Calvinism. If you can’t explain the opposing view, then you can’t really argue against it.

 

[renniks]

Maybe. But not about Calvinism. If you can’t explain the opposing view, then you can’t really argue against it.

The only logical reason one could be saved in a calvinistic world is if they are chosen for salvation. The fact that some calvinists will deny this means they don't understand their own theology.

 

[Titus Dorn]

John is teaching Christians in 1John.

1John 3:15
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

V14
We know we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother (must be a brother to hate a brother) abides in death.

Death here is a seperation from God.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

Their death was not physical but a separation from God.

 

[Titus Dorn]

One does not need to fully understand the theory of divergent, convergent and parallel evolution to disagree with its premise.

 

[Hammster]

The only logical reason one could be saved in a calvinistic world is if they are chosen for salvation. The fact that some calvinists will deny this means they don't understand their own theology.

Let’s say that you are correct. What scriptures would a Calvinist use?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you don’t really know anything about Calvinism.

I’d love to hear you expound upon this

 

[renniks]

Let’s say that you are correct. What scriptures would a Calvinist use?

He would probably mis use the verse where Jesus says he chose the twelve disciples.

 

[Hammster]

I’d love to hear you expound upon this

Okay. The points he made make it obvious that he doesn’t know what Reformed Theology actually believes and teaches.

 

[Hammster]

He would probably mis use the verse where Jesus says he chose the twelve disciples.

So again, you show that you don’t know what Reformed Theology actually teaches and believes.

 

[renniks]

So again, you show that you don’t know what Reformed Theology actually teaches and believes.

Are you telling me calvinists don't use that verse to support individual election? Because they do.

 

[Hammster]

Are you telling me calvinists don't use that verse to support individual election? Because they do.

I’m saying that you can’t explain any view of Reformed Theology in a way that a Calvinist would. You just know the straw man talking points.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Okay. The points he made make it obvious that he doesn’t know what Reformed Theology actually believes and teaches.

Oh I think he hit the nail right on the head. According to Calvinism no one can know if they are saved or not due to Calvin’s “band aide” doctrine called “evanescent grace” in which God evidently bestows an “unsaving grace” to some who think they believe and are saved but are really not saved at all. Sort of like God saying “HA!! made ya believe!! hehe I can’t believe you fell for that one, but no really I’ve decided your going to burn for all eternity. GOTCHA!!” XD

 

[BNR32FAN]

I’m saying that you can’t explain any view of Reformed Theology in a way that a Calvinist would. You just know the straw man talking points.

What one calls “straw man talking points” others call fundamental flaws. Again you give no examples or explanations as to why he is wrong you just make a blanket statement with no evidence to support it. Your posts always seem to be of this nature.

 

[Hammster]

Oh I think he hit the nail right on the head. According to Calvinism no one can know if they are saved or not due to Calvin’s “band aide” doctrine called “evanescent grace” in which God evidently bestows an “unsaving grace” to some who think they believe and are saved but are really not saved at all. Sort of like God saying “HA!! made ya believe!! hehe I can’t believe you fell for that one, but no really I’ve decided your going to burn for all eternity. GOTCHA!!” XD

Of course you think he’s correct. But I’m sure that you also can’t give an explanation to any of the points of Reformed Theology in a way that a Calvinist would.

 

[Hammster]

What one calls “straw man talking points” others call fundamental flaws.

Yeah, because it’s easier to have a surface-level response and get lots of “likes” that way.