What about the differences between chimps and humans?

[SelfSim]

I'm not going to counter whatever translation he used with the KJB; other than to say that in those three verses he posted, where his says "slave," the KJB says "servant."

It looks like academia will even Arab-phone the Bible to bring back the slave mindset as a godly thing.

Its the Forum's own American-English Standard version for goodness sake!

ETA: It appears some mischievous elf or something has gotten into those verses and tweaked them since @sjastro's reference! (Replacing 'slave' with 'servant').
Talk about unethical!

 

[HitchSlap]

Okay ... now I'm confused.

Scientific studies have determined that smoking is detrimental to your health.

Yet an English-American socio-political critic and public intellectual, who mainly expressed himself as an author, journalist, orator, and columnist who wrote, co-wrote, edited and co-edited over 30 books, including five of essays on culture, politics, and literature smoked two packs a day.

What's up with that?

Yep. And drank copious amounts of Johnny Walker Black Label. That’s the thing about secular morality, you’re free to make your own decisions.

 

[AV1611VET]

Its the Forum's own American-English Standard version for goodness sake!

ETA: It appears some mischievous elf or something has gotten into those verses and tweaked them since @sjastro's reference! (Replacing 'slave' with 'servant').
Talk about unethical!

Well I'm finished with this for now.

I think I've made my point; and I don't feel like repeating myself over and over.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep. And drank copious amounts of Johnny Walker Black Label. That’s the thing about secular morality, you’re free to make your own decisions.

Well as Baretta would say: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

 

[HitchSlap]

Who won in the end? Hitchen's morals, or Mother Nature?

Mother Nature always wins in the end AV. It’s how you spend your time until then, AV.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well as Baretta would say: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

He never complained or blamed anyone. He lived an authentic life of his choosing.

 

[SelfSim]

Well as Baretta would say: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

More silly sayings/truisms, eh?
Never anything of substance!

 

[SelfSim]

I can't get over how the Forum Admins must have changed the version of Bible translations there!?

What did that do to the literalist's basis of argument then, eh?

Whether the word 'servant' or 'slave' is used, the meaning in those phrases makes it clear what it meant. (.. And it certainly isn't the kind of 'servant' we encounter in the western, modern-day service providing sectors, no matter how they try and spin it!)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well ... you know how academia is.

They'll look under any carpet to find dirt, so they can spread it out on the floor.

Cycling through your list of groups to blame, again?

What's academia got to do with any of this?

Hitchens wasn't an academic; he was a journalist and essayist.

Governments warnings about the dangers of smoking come from government health studies analyzed by government scientists, not academia.

The "slavery" argument against the Bible, is common one in (esp. amateur) counter-apologetics. It's not something academics would generally waste their professional time on.

I just wanted to know how you determined that smoking was a sin. It need to consume the whole of your life and you could have answered in the time you spent (apparently) dodging the question. If it's not in the Bible explicity do you get to decide for yourself its a sin.

[I say this because I've never heard of smoking as a sin. A nasty habit? Yes. Bad for your health? Yes. Rude to others? Absolutely. A expensive addiction? Yes.]

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who won in the end? Hitchen's morals, or Mother Nature?

Why do you think that anyone lost?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well I'm finished with this for now.

I think I've made my point; and I don't feel like repeating myself over and over.

You made no point. All you succeeded in doing was to smear your own version of God.

Being overly literal is not good when it comes to the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

I say this because I've never heard of smoking as a sin.

Religious views on smoking - Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then why are you bringing them up, as if it's okay Biblically?

Are you trying to start another civil war?

I didn't. If anyone did that was you.

 

[HitchSlap]

Religious views on smoking - Wikipedia

Your link doesn’t have Christians prohibiting smoking.

 

[AV1611VET]

Being overly literal is not good when it comes to the Bible.

Let's hope in this case, I've prevented a few auctions by refusing to believe it's a Biblical endeavor.

And if it wasn't for literalism, sjastro's post would have made sense, wouldn't it?

 

[Hans Blaster]

See here (credit: @sjastro).

Apparently the English have been bowdlerizing the slavery references for 400+ years:

 

[Hans Blaster]

Your link doesn’t have Christians prohibiting smoking.

I managed to get my old church right:

The Roman Catholic Church does not condemn smoking per se, but considers excessive smoking to be sinful, as described in the Catechism (CCC 2290):

The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your link doesn’t have Christians prohibiting smoking.

Try this one:

 

[AV1611VET]

Apparently the English have been bowdlerizing the slavery references for 400+ years:

Aren't you glad?

Or are you disappointed?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Aren't you glad?

Or are you disappointed?

Either they understood the word servant differently then and modern literalists are being fooled by the change in meaning, or they've been deceptive about the meaning for a looong time.

Since Ex 21:7 starts "And if a man sell his daughter..." if it was deception, the translators didn't think much of potential readers in 1611.