70 Weeks of Daniel

[Spiritual Jew]

Jesus has not set up his kingdom yet, but it is coming soon for the 1000 year reign of Revelation 20.

He most certainly has set up His kingdom and He did that long ago. We (Christians) are all in His kingdom and He is our King. He is not a King without a kingdom.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Your claim contradicts this passage. Are you looking for the same kind of kingdom that the Pharisees were looking for? Jesus made it clear that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).

 

[sovereigngrace]

Check this out Christian Gedge:
Premillennialism in the Book of Daniel | The Master's Seminary

"Among six passages in Daniel that pertain to a promised future kingdom, three are most relevant to premillennialism: 2:31-45; 7:1-27; 9:24- 27. By means of Daniel’s interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream-vision of a statue, 2:31-45 prophesies about five kingdoms that will appear in sequence, the last of which comes in the form of a Messianic stone that will crush the ones before it and fill the whole earth. Daniel 7:1-27 covers the same ground from a different perspective. Here Daniel receives a two-part vision, the former part including four beasts that represent kingdoms and the latter, the Ancient of Days and the Messianic Son of Man. Subsequent interpretation details the Son of Man’s subjugation of these kingdoms to Himself after a period of tribulation. The prophecy of the seventy “weeks” in 9:24-27 supplies additional data regarding a premillennial return of the Messianic ruler to set up an earthly kingdom. These data include such things as the time-frame of the Messianic ruler’s first and second advents and the purposes of the two advents. All three passages correlate most easily with what is taught throughout Scripture about a premillennial return of Christ."

Jesus has not set up his kingdom yet, but it is coming soon for the 1000 year reign of Revelation 20.

Dispensationalists teach that Christ’s real purpose for coming to this earth was to establish an earthly Jewish theocratic kingdom. They say that this was to be a political kingdom centered in Jerusalem where Christ would have ruled over a dominant Israel and exercised complete control over the nations of the earth. Unfortunately, they make the exact same mistake that the Pharisees made 2000 years ago with their misguided obsession with (1) racial favoritism, (2) earthly real estate and (3) the idea of a dictatorial Messiah reigning over the Gentile nations with a rod of iron. Because of their flawed perception of the kingdom, the Pharisees ended up rejecting Christ.

When Christ appeared at His first advent, many religious Jews imagined the Messiah would introduce some authoritarian Zionistic kingdom, restore Israel’s ancient borders, reinstate the then defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the house of Israel. They thought the anointed One would be a great military leader that would confront Israel’s enemies, and overcome them, freeing them from foreign domination, starting with the Romans.

The Jewish expectation was a literal visible territorial administrative kingdom of which the warrior-like liberator would triumphantly rule. This theology fitted with the world view of these religious apostates, who advocated ethnic division and racial dominance. They believed that the appearance of Messiah would usher in a period of natural and spiritual prosperity for Israel, a time where the nations would be brought into wholesale subjugation. This would be a time of historic and unprecedented justice and peace. Their obsession with the natural, earthly and transient instead of the spiritual, heavenly and eternal caused them to reject Christ and nail Him as an impostor to a tree.

Dispensationalists say that this whole arrangement was thwarted by the Jews because of their rejection of Jesus and was then put on hold until Christ comes again to the sky to rescue the Church, whereupon this kingdom will be reoffered to Israel. After 7 years of tribulation, Israel is said to finally accept Christ, whereupon a 3rd coming of Christ will occur, this time He comes to the ground where Christ will set up this anticipated kingdom that was formerly rejected 2000 years ago.

The only problem is: (1) they promote a kingdom that is totally unknown to the New Testament pages. (2) They advance a kingdom that is identical to that advocated by the delusional Pharisees.

Sadly, Dispensationalists share many of the Pharisaical expectations. They speak much about a future Davidic kingdom and argue for its return in a future millennium after the second coming. But they fail to see that the old covenant earthly kings of Israel were not God’s plan, but, rather, a rebellious invention of man designed to mimic the heathen nations around them. While God permitted them, they only served as an imperfect distorted type of the perfect heavenly King who reigns today in heavenly Jerusalem

The reality is: Christ never made any attempt to set up a carnal Zionist territorial political kingdom. He did not make the slightest attempt to overthrow the Roman rulers. He wasn’t even an earthly king. Nowhere did He try to raise up an earthly army to instigate a nationalist political kingdom. Nowhere did He teach such a false system. He rather came to reveal and introduce a heavenly kingdom which was entered by faith.

The reason why the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees rejected Him was that He didn’t meet their hyper-literalist expectation of an ethnic territorial domain. The kingdom He spoke of was spiritual and heavenly. This did not fit in with their carnal expectation. Sadly, Premils still seek after such a faulty expectation in order to justify their flawed future hope. What is more, the natural, physical, earthly ceremonial aspects of the old covenant are obliterated in the New Testament by the new covenant reality. Ironically, this truism was presented by the Legalistic religious Jewish leaders as evidence of Christ’s phony credentials.

We should remind ourselves: man did not, and does not, have the ability to abort or postpone the kingdom. That is a Dispensational invention. The kingdom came 2000 years ago in power. Only those who had eyes to see saw it. It is the same today. Many today have the same mistaken expectation as the blinded Pharisees had. They are looking for a physical material pollical Zionist kingdom that will reign over the Gentile nations throughout the earth. But Jesus brought a spiritual heavenly and eternal kingdom that is entered by faith.

Many Christians, who call themselves Premillennialists, deny that Jesus is presently reigning as king over His kingdom. They do this by ignoring the clear and repeated teachings in Scripture. They also do this because they have a faulty concept of the kingdom of God. They anticipate a Pharisaical-type-kingdom with Christ supposedly reigning on earth over a temporal Jewish kingdom, in which the Gentiles take a backseat. They imagine that this earthly kingdom will last for 1000 years+. They try to portray it as some type of heaven-on-earth, with historic peace, when in fact, it ends up one almighty debacle, with the greatest uprising of wicked men against Christ and His people in history. Unfortunately, they make the exact same mistake as the Pharisees did, who expected a visible, physical, temporal, earthly kingdom, when, in fact, Christ brought a spiritual, heavenly, eternal kingdom that could not be viewed with the naked eye.

Christ’s teaching on the kingdom of God was totally alien to the hyper-literal thinking of the Jews of His day, who anticipated a literal racist kingdom, with the Messiah reigning over the Gentiles from Jerusalem in a tyrannical manner. But Jesus taught something completely different. His kingdom was spiritual. It was entered by faith. It was heavenly-centered. It was international in expanse, and knew no boundaries. This cut across the Zionism of the religious phonies who opposed Christ. It exposed the racial prejudice of the unbelieving Jews. It countered their carnal earthy expectation. It blew apart their parochial mindset. The Christ-rejecting Israelites had absolutely no comprehension of the spiritual fulfillment or the heavenly focus of the kingdom promises. That is because they were spiritually blind.

 

[Timtofly]

Right. What I meant was that Daniel 9:21 simply points out that the angel appearing to Daniel was the same one who he had previously seen regarding the vision from Daniel 8, which was Gabriel. My point is that the vision from Daniel 8 itself is not the focus of Daniel 9:21. Instead, the focus is on the fact that Gabriel was once again appearing to Daniel, this time to give him a new prophecy which is recorded in Daniel 9:24-27.

If the vision from Daniel 8 was the focus of Daniel 9:21, then you would have a point that the "vision" mentioned in Daniel 9:23 would likely be pointing back to that. But, that is not the case. Once again, let me point out the FACT that the Hebrew word translated as "vision" in Daniel 9:23 can refer to an actual vision like what Daniel had in Daniel 8 or it can refer to a prophetic insight or prophecy. And that is the case in Daniel 9:23. Gabriel was telling Daniel there to consider and understand the vision/prophetic insight that he was about to give him, as recorded in Daniel 9:24-27.

A vision is when you see something you do not understand. Gabriel was still explaining a former vision in chapter 9. An explanation that Daniel and many still see as separate instead of just an explanation. It still did not clear things up. Daniel was relieved somewhat. He had recieved an answer, that declared a conclusion. The answer was that God was going to work things out, and an end would be realized.

Daniel did not have a vision of the 70 weeks. Gabriel told him in not so many words about the 70 weeks.

 

[Timtofly]

He most certainly has set up His kingdom and He did that long ago. We (Christians) are all in His kingdom and He is our King. He is not a King without a kingdom.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Your claim contradicts this passage. Are you looking for the same kind of kingdom that the Pharisees were looking for? Jesus made it clear that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).

The kingdom is not literal. The kingdom is the symbolic description of Paradise, at the very least. Paradise was a garden. Adam was not the king of Eden. He was the patriarch and Eve was the mother of all who would live there. It is more a city state, than a kingdom. Kingdom is the type of government the Israelites longed for, and the common type of their day. England is still in name a monarchy, but not really in type, as a government.

The New Jerusalem is more a city temple, than a kingdom to rule the earth. God Instituted a tabernacle to control Israel. Israel demanded a human king and kingdom. Sticking with a kingdom theme, is God giving humans their expectations. I would not be to optimistic about demanding that God stick with a kingdom as literal. It is only symbolic of fleshly desire.

Jesus was not wrong in praying for the kingdom to come. If they had demanded democracy, they had not met the Greeks in the time of Samuel, it may have been thy government come, or thy democratic republic come. The kingdom is just the symbolic term for how they wanted their lives to be governed. They did not even ask to be a great Nation. They were fixated on a king and a kingdom. God already promised them they would be a great Nation with a tabernacle. They did not want a tabernacle, they wanted a king and a kingdom.

Jesus suffered that a kingdom would come, but still followed with God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven. God is still going to make a remnant of Israel great on earth. The church is about Paradise. Israel is still promised the earth as Israel's inheritance. God's will on earth, just like God's will in heaven.

 

[Timtofly]

He wasn’t even an earthly king. Nowhere did He try to raise up an earthly army to instigate a nationalist political kingdom. Nowhere did He teach such a false system. He rather came to reveal and introduce a heavenly kingdom which was entered by faith.

You are still conflating Paradise with Christ being both Messiah and Prince in Daniel 9. Gabriel called Jesus a Prince. The Prince part is still future. Jesus Christ claims Himself in the OD, He is coming to set up a throne.

The church in Paradise is not the same government as one on earth. How the church governs during the tribulation is not revealed. Most claim the church goes into endurance mode. That is hardly being in charge of earthly affairs. Why the church wants to hang out on earth, instead of going to Paradise is beyond me. Looking forward to entering Paradise, goes against struggling in sinful carnel flesh while God judges sinful carnel flesh. God is not in tribulation mode, while the church is on earth. The church has physically suffered tribulation from the flesh for 1991 years. The world has always suffered from the tribulation of sin since sin entered the world.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

A vision is when you see something you do not understand. Gabriel was still explaining a former vision in chapter 9. An explanation that Daniel and many still see as separate instead of just an explanation. It still did not clear things up. Daniel was relieved somewhat. He had recieved an answer, that declared a conclusion. The answer was that God was going to work things out, and an end would be realized.

Daniel did not have a vision of the 70 weeks. Gabriel told him in not so many words about the 70 weeks.

The vision of Daniel 8 was explained already in Daniel 8:15-25. No further explanation was needed. It wasn't understood at the time, but would be understood later. The idea that Daniel 9:24-27 was a further explanation of the vision from Daniel 8 is simply not true. That prophecy has nothing to do with the prophecy in Daniel 8.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The kingdom is not literal. The kingdom is the symbolic description of Paradise, at the very least. Paradise was a garden. Adam was not the king of Eden. He was the patriarch and Eve was the mother of all who would live there. It is more a city state, than a kingdom. Kingdom is the type of government the Israelites longed for, and the common type of their day. England is still in name a monarchy, but not really in type, as a government.

The New Jerusalem is more a city temple, than a kingdom to rule the earth. God Instituted a tabernacle to control Israel. Israel demanded a human king and kingdom. Sticking with a kingdom theme, is God giving humans their expectations. I would not be to optimistic about demanding that God stick with a kingdom as literal. It is only symbolic of fleshly desire.

Jesus was not wrong in praying for the kingdom to come. If they had demanded democracy, they had not met the Greeks in the time of Samuel, it may have been thy government come, or thy democratic republic come. The kingdom is just the symbolic term for how they wanted their lives to be governed. They did not even ask to be a great Nation. They were fixated on a king and a kingdom. God already promised them they would be a great Nation with a tabernacle. They did not want a tabernacle, they wanted a king and a kingdom.

Jesus suffered that a kingdom would come, but still followed with God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven. God is still going to make a remnant of Israel great on earth. The church is about Paradise. Israel is still promised the earth as Israel's inheritance. God's will on earth, just like God's will in heaven.

I have no idea of what you're talking about. Can you just answer one question. Do you believe you are in Christ's kingdom right now? Use the following passage as a guide for your answer:

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Have you been delivered from the power of darkness? if so, then what else does this passage say has happened to you and everyone else who has been delivered from the power of darkness?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You are still conflating Paradise with Christ being both Messiah and Prince in Daniel 9. Gabriel called Jesus a Prince. The Prince part is still future.

I guess John didn't get that memo.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Oseas]

Why otherwise did Daniel partition the weeks as he did?

Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with streets and moat, even in times of distress. 26 Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. 27 And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate.

What events were revealed through the prophecy-Dan.9:24-27?
Dan. 9:v.24-KJV -
24 - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city (Isaiah 23:v.15-17, and Jeremiah 25:v.8-16, and Jeremiah 23:v.5-8), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan. 9:v.24 -Complete Jewish Bible - CJB
24 - “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place.

Comments:
- The verse above is revealing centuries of prophecy about several events, but in three steps;
The prophetic events are:
1 - about the people of Israel and the city of Jerusalem;
2 - Finishing of transgression; (for putting an end to the transgression)
3 - to make an END to the sins;
4 - to make reconciliation (to atone) for iniquity; (forgiving iniquity)
5 - to bring in EVERLASTING righteousness (Eternal Justice);
6 - to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
7 - to anoint the Most Holy (to anoint the Holy Place)

- The prophecy above was given to Daniel in the time of King Darius; 522–486 B.C. - Dan. 9:v.1 reveals: In the first year of Darius (522 B.C.) the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

- By the prophecies listed above we can see the Plan of the Most High God in a total of 483 years to be fulfilled before Christ, before of the coming of the Messiah-JESUS-,and final 7 years to be fulfilled in a determined time of the end of the times, in the consummation of the centuries. JESUS said (it was the fourth Day):John 5:v.17-18 CJB - “My Father has been working until now, and I too am working.” 18 This answer made the Judeans all the more intent on killing JESUS — not only was He breaking Shabbat, but also, by saying that God was His own Father, He was claiming equality with God. NOTE: It was still the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after Adam, the first man, that became a living human being.

- So, GOD would perform his works through JESUS in three steps, two steps before Christ, and one step-the third-after Christ, as follow:

1 - 7 weeks = 49 years.............................49
2 - 62 weeks = 434 years..................... _434__________483 years
3 - 1 week ............................................ _7__________ 7 "

Analysing what the 7 weeks mean prophetically:

587 B.C. - Judah is conquered by Babylon - Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews are exiled.

1 - 7 weeks = 49 years --> 587 - 49 = 538 B.C. - End of 70 years of captivity; therefore, Fulfilment of Daniel 9:v.25 :
25 - Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. At 538 B.C. GOD concluded the first step of His prophetic Plan moving Cyrus to decree the return of the exiled Jews to Judah/Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple.

Rebuilding, however, was interrupted during the reign of Cyrus, and was only restarted in the reign of Darius (522-486 B.C.), and according Ezra 6:v.15 - CJB:
15 This house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of Daryavesh(Darius) the king. 522-6= 516 B.C. - the rebuilding of the Temple finished after 21 years of rebuilding, part in the time of Cyrus, and part in the time of Darius.

538-516 - Many Jews return from Babylon; Temple is rebuilt.

The next step of GOD's Plan - 62 weeks - 434 years

516 B.C.-434 = 82 B.C. --> Ending of 62 weeks period - 82 B.C.

......................HISTORY ....................
332 The Earth is conquered by Alexander the Great; hellenistic domain- Persian Empire conquered by Alexander the Great- Daniel 7:v.6
166-160 - Revolt of the Maccabees (Asmoneans)
142-129 Jewish autonomy under the leadership of the Hasmoneans
129-63 Jewish independence under the monarchy of the Hasmoneans
NOTE:
516 B.C.- 434 = 82 BC --> Ending of 62 weeks period, exactly between 129-63 period above

63 B.C. Jerusalem captured by the Roman general Pompey

roman dominion

63 to 4 B.C. - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel - Jerusalem temple is renovated

BIRTH OF JESUS-the promised Messiah-Fulfilment of Daniel 9:v.24

God sent/sends JESUS and establishes the second covenant, for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting Justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. - Daniel 9:v.24

Simultaneously, GOD sent/sends Elyjah: Matt.11:12-15-CJB:
12 From the time of Yochanan the Immerser until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been suffering violence; yes, violent ones are trying to snatch it away.
13 For all the prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yochanan.
14 Indeed, if you are willing to accept it, he is Eliyahu, whose coming was predicted (by Isaiah and Malachi).
15 If you have ears, then hear!

- 30 to 33 Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth after ending 69 weeks.

JESUS is killed. JESUS is crucified. Fulfilment of Dan.9:v.26-CJB:
26 - Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach (Messiah) will be cut off and have nothing.

Thats it.

 

[DavidPT]

What events were revealed through the prophecy-Dan.9:24-27?
Dan. 9:v.24-KJV -
24 - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city (Isaiah 23:v.15-17, and Jeremiah 25:v.8-16, and Jeremiah 23:v.5-8), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan. 9:v.24 -Complete Jewish Bible - CJB
24 - “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place.

Comments:
- The verse above is revealing centuries of prophecy about several events, but in three steps;
The prophetic events are:
1 - about the people of Israel and the city of Jerusalem;
2 - Finishing of transgression; (for putting an end to the transgression)
3 - to make an END to the sins;
4 - to make reconciliation (to atone) for iniquity; (forgiving iniquity)
5 - to bring in EVERLASTING righteousness (Eternal Justice);
6 - to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
7 - to anoint the Most Holy (to anoint the Holy Place)

- The prophecy above was given to Daniel in the time of King Darius; 522–486 B.C. - Dan. 9:v.1 reveals: In the first year of Darius (522 B.C.) the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

- By the prophecies listed above we can see the Plan of the Most High God in a total of 483 years to be fulfilled before Christ, before of the coming of the Messiah-JESUS-,and final 7 years to be fulfilled in a determined time of the end of the times, in the consummation of the centuries. JESUS said (it was the fourth Day):John 5:v.17-18 CJB - “My Father has been working until now, and I too am working.” 18 This answer made the Judeans all the more intent on killing JESUS — not only was He breaking Shabbat, but also, by saying that God was His own Father, He was claiming equality with God. NOTE: It was still the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after Adam, the first man, that became a living human being.

- So, GOD would perform his works through JESUS in three steps, two steps before Christ, and one step-the third-after Christ, as follow:

1 - 7 weeks = 49 years.............................49
2 - 62 weeks = 434 years..................... _434__________483 years
3 - 1 week ............................................ _7__________ 7 "

Analysing what the 7 weeks mean prophetically:

587 B.C. - Judah is conquered by Babylon - Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews are exiled.

1 - 7 weeks = 49 years --> 587 - 49 = 538 B.C. - End of 70 years of captivity; therefore, Fulfilment of Daniel 9:v.25 :
25 - Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. At 538 B.C. GOD concluded the first step of His prophetic Plan moving Cyrus to decree the return of the exiled Jews to Judah/Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple.

Rebuilding, however, was interrupted during the reign of Cyrus, and was only restarted in the reign of Darius (522-486 B.C.), and according Ezra 6:v.15 - CJB:
15 This house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of Daryavesh(Darius) the king. 522-6= 516 B.C. - the rebuilding of the Temple finished after 21 years of rebuilding, part in the time of Cyrus, and part in the time of Darius.

538-516 - Many Jews return from Babylon; Temple is rebuilt.

The next step of GOD's Plan - 62 weeks - 434 years

516 B.C.-434 = 82 B.C. --> Ending of 62 weeks period - 82 B.C.

......................HISTORY ....................
332 The Earth is conquered by Alexander the Great; hellenistic domain- Persian Empire conquered by Alexander the Great- Daniel 7:v.6
166-160 - Revolt of the Maccabees (Asmoneans)
142-129 Jewish autonomy under the leadership of the Hasmoneans
129-63 Jewish independence under the monarchy of the Hasmoneans
NOTE:
516 B.C.- 434 = 82 BC --> Ending of 62 weeks period, exactly between 129-63 period above

63 B.C. Jerusalem captured by the Roman general Pompey

roman dominion

63 to 4 B.C. - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel - Jerusalem temple is renovated

BIRTH OF JESUS-the promised Messiah-Fulfilment of Daniel 9:v.24

God sent/sends JESUS and establishes the second covenant, for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting Justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. - Daniel 9:v.24

Simultaneously, GOD sent/sends Elyjah: Matt.11:12-15-CJB:
12 From the time of Yochanan the Immerser until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been suffering violence; yes, violent ones are trying to snatch it away.
13 For all the prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yochanan.
14 Indeed, if you are willing to accept it, he is Eliyahu, whose coming was predicted (by Isaiah and Malachi).
15 If you have ears, then hear!

- 30 to 33 Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth after ending 69 weeks.

JESUS is killed. JESUS is crucified. Fulfilment of Dan.9:v.26-CJB:
26 - Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach (Messiah) will be cut off and have nothing.

Thats it.

I'm having a hard time following some of this. But that aside, unless I missed it, I'm not seeing anywhere in this post, the 70th week. I read your post at least 3 or 4 times. You mentioned verse 24, 25, and 26, so what about verse 27 as well?

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

"The Final Week of the 70 Weeks
Of the 70 “sevens,” 69 have been fulfilled in history. This leaves one more “seven” yet to be fulfilled. Most scholars believe that we are now living in a huge gap between the 69th week and the 70th week. The prophetic clock has been paused, as it were. The final “seven” of Daniel is what we usually call the tribulation period.

Daniel’s prophecy reveals some of the actions of the Antichrist, the “ruler who will come.” Verse 27 says, “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’” However, “in the middle of the ‘seven,’ . . . he will set up an abomination that causes desolation” in the temple. Jesus warned of this event in Matthew 24:15. After the Antichrist breaks the covenant with Israel, a time of “great tribulation” begins (Matthew 24:21, NKJV).

Daniel also predicts that the Antichrist will face judgment. He only rules “until the end that is decreed is poured out on him” (Daniel 9:27). God will only allow evil to go so far, and the judgment the Antichrist will face has already been planned out."

What are the seventy weeks of Daniel? | GotQuestions.org

1. What is the relationship of the final week of Daniel 9:27 and Revelation Chapter 6's opening of the seals?

2. Does Revelation deal with the entire 7 weeks of Daniel 9:27 or only the last 3.5 years known as the "great tribulation?"

27 And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate.”

 

[Timtofly]

I have no idea of what you're talking about. Can you just answer one question. Do you believe you are in Christ's kingdom right now? Use the following passage as a guide for your answer:

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Have you been delivered from the power of darkness? if so, then what else does this passage say has happened to you and everyone else who has been delivered from the power of darkness?

Figurative language, so figuratively yes. It is not a physical Kingdom, nor the 1000 year reign yet to come on this earth. We are figuratively not in the 1000 year reign of Christ. The physical throne set up soon by Christ Himself will be the physical kingdom that is perfect that Israel foolishly desired long ago, instead of God and His tabernacle. Daniel calls Christ the Prince. The first coming was as Christ, the Second Coming will bring Christ as the Prince.

 

[Timtofly]

I guess John didn't get that memo.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

He did not need a memo. He witnessed the Second Coming and 1000 year reign in person. Then went back and delivered the good news to 7 different churches. They got the memo.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

He did not need a memo. He witnessed the Second Coming and 1000 year reign in person. Then went back and delivered the good news to 7 different churches. They got the memo.

As usual, you missed the point, which is that in Revelation 1:5 John, speaking in present tense, called Jesus "the prince of the kings of the earth". So, your claim that He won't be a Prince until the future is false. He is the King and Prince now.

Long ago, Jesus said this about Himself:

Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

He has all power in heaven and earth but you don't think He is the Prince yet?

 

[Oseas]

I'm having a hard time following some of this. But that aside, unless I missed it, I'm not seeing anywhere in this post, the 70th week. I read your post at least 3 or 4 times. You mentioned verse 24, 25, and 26, so what about verse 27 as well?

Greetings in Christ JESUS, David

Yes, you are right, I will try to explain the why. I have seen that there is a lot of confusion about the 7 weeks, and after the threescore and two weeks revealing that the Messiah is cut off, but not for himself. So my focus was to interpret Scriptures until this point that has caused many speculation, what is very sad and bad for us the God's people. Starting by Daniel 9:v.26, to facilitate understanding, in my view, I divide it in two parts, as follow:

(1)"26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

(2) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; CONSEQUENCES: and the END thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR desolations are determined.
As you and all can see, my focus in the post you are replying, was until the part (1) of the verse 26. All the description of the message is about only the periods of 7 and 62 weeks, until the Messiah be cut off after the week 69, but not for himself, i.e. the Messiah will be taken away, and will be no more here. So, the second Covenant gets established, stays here and remains enshrined on Earth through JESUS, for ever. The validity of JESUS' sacrifice is for an indefinite time, but it will be broken in the middle of the last week as is revealed in Daniel 9:v.27.

That said, there is still to interpret the second point of the verse 26 described above, and also the seventieth and last week - the 70th, after the Messiah - JESUS - which was taken away after 69 weeks that ended in the year 82 BC.

Again:
(2) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR desolations are determined.
Who is this ruthless and destroyer prince? Ezekiel prophesied about him, saying: "25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel (yeah, PROFANE), whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, or "at the time of final pusnishment " as is written in Jewish Bible. Ez.21:v.25

Ezekiel 21:v.26-27-CJB-Complete Jewish Bible
As for you, you wicked prince of Isra’el, due to be killed, whose day has come, at the time of final punishment, here is what Adonai Elohim says: Remove the diadem, take off the crown! Everything is being changed. What was low will be raised up, and what was high will be brought down. Ruin! Ruin! I will leave it a ruin (Jerusalem/Israel) such as there has never been, and it will stay that way until the rightful ruler comes, and I give it to him.

The prophecy above begins to be fulfilled in the middle of the last week -the 70th week -, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week. THE MATERIAL THINGS ARE FIGURES OF SPIRITUAL THINGS. The validity of JESUS' sacrifice is for an indefinite time, but it will be broken in the middle of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 with the establishment of the AD. The day has already come, that is, the seventh day, and the fulfillment of the prophecy is now, even now at the beginning of the seventh and last day or the beginning of this seventh and last millennium. It will be now in the last decade of the Devil's world - 2020 to 2030 -, the seven years of the last week, the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27, and it is within this last decade.
CONSEQUENCES: and the END thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR desolations are determined. Dan. 9:v.26

WAR ?
There will be War, yes, and it is already starting. Scriptures say Abomination of Desolation is about the holy and daily sacrifice of JESUS be taken away, which has been valid daily in these last two millenniums, and will be valid even until the END of this current Dispensation of Grace. Yes, it will be valid until the abomination of desolation settles in the holy place, in the temple of God, by the son of perdition, the man of sin, even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, then the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END. See what the Complete Jewish Bible says about the son of perdition, the man of sin, as follows:

2 Thes. 2:v.6-8 CJB
6 - And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth(with the Word of His mouth) and destroy by the glory of his coming.

Who is this PROFANE and WICKED and ruthless Prince, skilled in intrigue? Who is the son of perdition? Who is the Man Beast who has two horns like a lamb, and speaks as Dragon, the 666? Revelation 13:v.11 to 18. Who is the little horn, even him " which sprang up and before which three fell, the horn that had eyes and a mouth speaking arrogantly and seemed greater than the others (ten horns). 21 I watched, and that horn made (will make) WAR with the holy ones and was (will) winning"?Daniel 7:v.20-21 CJB-

I elaborated four questions and with details about the same person, trying to facilitate the identification of this prophetic EVIL character. What I can and must state is that this EVIL character was born decades ago, evidently, for he must most likely manifest himself before the middle of this decade because the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 is within this current decade. JESUS said to the Jews: I have come in my Father’s name, and you don’t accept me; if someone else comes in his own name (AN IMPORTOR, say I), him you will accept. John 5:v.43CJB. In fact, the Beast like a lamb who will come of the earth(Israel, the clay, the dry land), he is an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the future ruler and guide of the people of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Israel, followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, actually a Torah is in the hands of the Devil, their wiser Master and father. This satanic Man Beast, son of perdition, comes from the tribe of Dan; Patriarch Jacob prophesied about him-Genesis 49:v.14. He is of the 10 tribes of Israel, but the tribe of Dan does not make part of the 12 tribes in Revelation 7. He is the little horn who sprang up among the 10 horns-10 tribes of Israel.

Revelation 17:v.12 - 13 CJB
12 The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet begun to rule, but they receive power as kings for one hour, along with the Beast (of sea, say I, because here the 10 horns will be linked to the Beast of sea for 1.260 days-the FIRST half of the last week). 13 They have one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the Beast. 14 They will go to War against the Lamb...(according Revelation 13:v.5 combined with Revelation 11:v.1-2)

Revelation 17:v.11-CJB
11 The Beast which once was (WAS ONE OF THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL) and now is not(belongs to the 12 tribes of Israel no more-Revelation 7) is an eighth king; (it is the eighth after he takes back his throne from the seventh Beast of sea to whom he had given when one of the 7 heads of the Beast of sea was wounded to death-Revelation 13:v.2, and he - the Jewish messiah of the tribe of Dan- will be enthroned as the eighth in his kingdom, the kingdom of Antichrist, so) it comes from the seven and is on its way to destruction.

Be careful and get ready

God bless

P.S.
English is not my native language, I need to do a draft first, analyze and re-analyze, and correct language errors, and as best I can and with the help of a translator I post it on the site. Even so, it is possible for an error to slip out of my control.

 

[DavidPT]

Greetings in Christ JESUS, David

Yes, you are right, I will try to explain the why. I have seen that there is a lot of confusion about the 7 weeks, and after the threescore and two weeks revealing that the Messiah is cut off, but not for himself. So my focus was to interpret Scriptures until this point that has caused many speculation, what is very sad and bad for us the God's people. Starting by Daniel 9:v.26, to facilitate understanding, in my view, I divide it in two parts, as follow:

(1)"26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

(2) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; CONSEQUENCES: and the END thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR desolations are determined.
As you and all can see, my focus in the post you are replying, was until the part (1) of the verse 26. All the description of the message is about only the periods of 7 and 62 weeks, until the Messiah be cut off after the week 69, but not for himself, i.e. the Messiah will be taken away, and will be no more here. So, the second Covenant gets established, stays here and remains enshrined on Earth through JESUS, for ever. The validity of JESUS' sacrifice is for an indefinite time, but it will be broken in the middle of the last week as is revealed in Daniel 9:v.27.

That said, there is still to interpret the second point of the verse 26 described above, and also the seventieth and last week - the 70th, after the Messiah - JESUS - which was taken away after 69 weeks that ended in the year 82 BC.

Again:
(2) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR desolations are determined.
Who is this ruthless and destroyer prince? Ezekiel prophesied about him, saying: "25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel (yeah, PROFANE), whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, or "at the time of final pusnishment " as is written in Jewish Bible. Ez.21:v.25

Ezekiel 21:v.26-27-CJB-Complete Jewish Bible
As for you, you wicked prince of Isra’el, due to be killed, whose day has come, at the time of final punishment, here is what Adonai Elohim says: Remove the diadem, take off the crown! Everything is being changed. What was low will be raised up, and what was high will be brought down. Ruin! Ruin! I will leave it a ruin (Jerusalem/Israel) such as there has never been, and it will stay that way until the rightful ruler comes, and I give it to him.

The prophecy above begins to be fulfilled in the middle of the last week -the 70th week -, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week. THE MATERIAL THINGS ARE FIGURES OF SPIRITUAL THINGS. The validity of JESUS' sacrifice is for an indefinite time, but it will be broken in the middle of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 with the establishment of the AD. The day has already come, that is, the seventh day, and the fulfillment of the prophecy is now, even now at the beginning of the seventh and last day or the beginning of this seventh and last millennium. It will be now in the last decade of the Devil's world - 2020 to 2030 -, the seven years of the last week, the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27, and it is within this last decade.
CONSEQUENCES: and the END thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR desolations are determined. Dan. 9:v.26

WAR ?
There will be War, yes, and it is already starting. Scriptures say Abomination of Desolation is about the holy and daily sacrifice of JESUS be taken away, which has been valid daily in these last two millenniums, and will be valid even until the END of this current Dispensation of Grace. Yes, it will be valid until the abomination of desolation settles in the holy place, in the temple of God, by the son of perdition, the man of sin, even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, then the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END. See what the Complete Jewish Bible says about the son of perdition, the man of sin, as follows:

2 Thes. 2:v.6-8 CJB
6 - And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth(with the Word of His mouth) and destroy by the glory of his coming.

Who is this PROFANE and WICKED and ruthless Prince, skilled in intrigue? Who is the son of perdition? Who is the Man Beast who has two horns like a lamb, and speaks as Dragon, the 666? Revelation 13:v.11 to 18. Who is the little horn, even him " which sprang up and before which three fell, the horn that had eyes and a mouth speaking arrogantly and seemed greater than the others (ten horns). 21 I watched, and that horn made (will make) WAR with the holy ones and was (will) winning"?Daniel 7:v.20-21 CJB-

I elaborated four questions and with details about the same person, trying to facilitate the identification of this prophetic EVIL character. What I can and must state is that this EVIL character was born decades ago, evidently, for he must most likely manifest himself before the middle of this decade because the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 is within this current decade. JESUS said to the Jews: I have come in my Father’s name, and you don’t accept me; if someone else comes in his own name (AN IMPORTOR, say I), him you will accept. John 5:v.43CJB. In fact, the Beast like a lamb who will come of the earth(Israel, the clay, the dry land), he is an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the future ruler and guide of the people of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Israel, followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, actually a Torah is in the hands of the Devil, their wiser Master and father. This satanic Man Beast, son of perdition, comes from the tribe of Dan; Patriarch Jacob prophesied about him-Genesis 49:v.14. He is of the 10 tribes of Israel, but the tribe of Dan does not make part of the 12 tribes in Revelation 7. He is the little horn who sprang up among the 10 horns-10 tribes of Israel.

Revelation 17:v.12 - 13 CJB
12 The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet begun to rule, but they receive power as kings for one hour, along with the Beast (of sea, say I, because here the 10 horns will be linked to the Beast of sea for 1.260 days-the FIRST half of the last week). 13 They have one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the Beast. 14 They will go to War against the Lamb...(according Revelation 13:v.5 combined with Revelation 11:v.1-2)

Revelation 17:v.11-CJB
11 The Beast which once was (WAS ONE OF THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL) and now is not(belongs to the 12 tribes of Israel no more-Revelation 7) is an eighth king; (it is the eighth after he takes back his throne from the seventh Beast of sea to whom he had given when one of the 7 heads of the Beast of sea was wounded to death-Revelation 13:v.2, and he - the Jewish messiah of the tribe of Dan- will be enthroned as the eighth in his kingdom, the kingdom of Antichrist, so) it comes from the seven and is on its way to destruction.

Be careful and get ready

God bless

P.S.
English is not my native language, I need to do a draft first, analyze and re-analyze, and correct language errors, and as best I can and with the help of a translator I post it on the site. Even so, it is possible for an error to slip out of my control.

I need more time to consider what all you said in this post and that other post. I like your insight involving the 70th week. What you indicated about 82 BC though, that is still going over my head. I'm just not getting it, thus why I need more time to consider what all you said.

 

[Oseas]

Ok, brother

May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and give us His protection.Amen

 

[Timtofly]

As usual, you missed the point, which is that in Revelation 1:5 John, speaking in present tense, called Jesus "the prince of the kings of the earth". So, your claim that He won't be a Prince until the future is false. He is the King and Prince now.

Long ago, Jesus said this about Himself:

Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

He has all power in heaven and earth but you don't think He is the Prince yet?

Did I claim the Messiah had to wait to be Prince for 1991 years? No.

I said He would return as Prince. You can claim He was born Prince. That is not the point either. God was Messiah and Prince before Creation. The Lamb, Jesus Christ was before Creation.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Did I claim the Messiah had to wait to be Prince for 1991 years? No.

I said He would return as Prince. You can claim He was born Prince. That is not the point either. God was Messiah and Prince before Creation. The Lamb, Jesus Christ was before Creation.

Maybe you should try to work on being more clear. You said this:

You are still conflating Paradise with Christ being both Messiah and Prince in Daniel 9. Gabriel called Jesus a Prince. The Prince part is still future.

How am I supposed to know that you believe He is already the Prince now when you say things like "The Prince part is still future"?

 

[Timtofly]

Maybe you should try to work on being more clear. You said this:

How am I supposed to know that you believe He is already the Prince now when you say things like "The Prince part is still future"?

By reading Daniel 9. Gabriel claimed two parts. The prince that shall come is the Messiah. Jesus comes as both both times if you want to be literal.