KevinT
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Hello. First time poster here. I'd like to ask a question which is in this vein of discussion thread, but not directly related to recent posts. Sorry if this is too abrupt.
Very traditional creationists sometimes propose [young universe], [young earth], [young creation]. I.e. the entire universe is ~10,000 yrs old. However, with some discussion, it seems that many would be willing to allow that the entire universe doesn't have to have been created during creation week outlined in Genesis. Thus [old universe][young earth][young creation].
There are many that believe in an old earth, but recent creation. So [old universe][old earth][young/recent creation].
But I have been recently wondering if we could have [old universe][old earth][old creation][young/recent sinful fall]. I.e. could we have that God created the earth long long ago (i.e. the millions of years that modern science seems to indicate), and terraformed the earth in 6 literal days, and then mankind lived on the earth in a sinless state for long ages. Then Adam and Eve sinned and we have the start of the clock giving the timeline outlined in the Bible.
Consequences of this belief would result in:
1) Adam and Eve might not have been the only ones living on the earth at the time of their sin.
2) The Adam that was created during creation week might not be the same Adam that sinned. (For brevity, I write "Adam" here, I will really mean Adam and Eve).
3) That Adam's (i.e. Adam #2's) age would have been reckoned starting when he became mortal. So his 930 yrs at death means 930 yrs from the time he sinned. Or, mankind continued to give birth to children, and Adam-2 was born from his mother, and was young at the time of his sinning.
4) The rest of mankind, that had not sinned, would have been removed from the earth by God after Adam-2's sin at the time he was expelled from the Garden. This would be somewhat similar to how Enoch was removed from the Earth.
5) The fossil record seems to show dead animals from millions of years ago, and if these dates are accepted, then it would indicate that death existed before sin. This seems like a big incongruity to accept. But perhaps just as the human body has blood cells that are created, circulated and then destroyed, all the while supporting the life of the host, then likewise perhaps lesser animals could have been born, lived and died all within a perfect system for the support of humans.
I'm not committed to this theory, but I'm trying to find a way to reconcile the teaching of the Bible with the findings in the natural world. As I read back on this, it is way outside anything I have read before and seems frankly incredible. But it would more readily fit the the facts we have.
I would appreciate constructive criticism of this theory.
Thanks in advance.
Kevin T
Very traditional creationists sometimes propose [young universe], [young earth], [young creation]. I.e. the entire universe is ~10,000 yrs old. However, with some discussion, it seems that many would be willing to allow that the entire universe doesn't have to have been created during creation week outlined in Genesis. Thus [old universe][young earth][young creation].
There are many that believe in an old earth, but recent creation. So [old universe][old earth][young/recent creation].
But I have been recently wondering if we could have [old universe][old earth][old creation][young/recent sinful fall]. I.e. could we have that God created the earth long long ago (i.e. the millions of years that modern science seems to indicate), and terraformed the earth in 6 literal days, and then mankind lived on the earth in a sinless state for long ages. Then Adam and Eve sinned and we have the start of the clock giving the timeline outlined in the Bible.
Consequences of this belief would result in:
1) Adam and Eve might not have been the only ones living on the earth at the time of their sin.
2) The Adam that was created during creation week might not be the same Adam that sinned. (For brevity, I write "Adam" here, I will really mean Adam and Eve).
3) That Adam's (i.e. Adam #2's) age would have been reckoned starting when he became mortal. So his 930 yrs at death means 930 yrs from the time he sinned. Or, mankind continued to give birth to children, and Adam-2 was born from his mother, and was young at the time of his sinning.
4) The rest of mankind, that had not sinned, would have been removed from the earth by God after Adam-2's sin at the time he was expelled from the Garden. This would be somewhat similar to how Enoch was removed from the Earth.
5) The fossil record seems to show dead animals from millions of years ago, and if these dates are accepted, then it would indicate that death existed before sin. This seems like a big incongruity to accept. But perhaps just as the human body has blood cells that are created, circulated and then destroyed, all the while supporting the life of the host, then likewise perhaps lesser animals could have been born, lived and died all within a perfect system for the support of humans.
I'm not committed to this theory, but I'm trying to find a way to reconcile the teaching of the Bible with the findings in the natural world. As I read back on this, it is way outside anything I have read before and seems frankly incredible. But it would more readily fit the the facts we have.
I would appreciate constructive criticism of this theory.
Thanks in advance.
Kevin T
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