What do you believe about January 6th?

[disciple Clint]

#whenthelootingstartstheshootingstarts

What does that have to do with her. You dont just pick out someone at random and execute them for the sins of all.

 

[Sophrosyne]

If you want to box people into your pre-defined boxes so be it. I'm not buying it. Your posts are filled the same political narrative that you accuse others of.

Well since I answered your question and you avoided mine...... we are through here.
You can go on siding with the folks that you usually do here. I await seeing your posts questioning those on the left now that you have questioned me.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Since when is a protestor in the U.S.A. considered a traitor or subject to execution, where have our values gone.

Values get lost when there is inflation don't you know

 

[wing2000]

Well since I answered your question and you avoided mine...... we are through here.
You can go on siding with the folks that you usually do here. I await seeing your posts questioning those on the left now that you have questioned me.

Boxes....

 

[Vylo]

Since when is a protestor in the U.S.A. considered a traitor or subject to execution, where have our values gone.

You aren't just a protester when you force your way into congress with an angry mob at your back chanting to murder people.

 

[disciple Clint]

Values get lost when there is inflation don't you know

And there has been vast inflation of that event.

 

[Sophrosyne]

And there has been vast inflation of that event.

besides values get in the way of narratives you know.

 

[disciple Clint]

You aren't just a protester when you force your way into congress with an angry mob at your back chanting to murder people.

By what standard to you claim that. Need I point out the BLM protests have shouted "what do we want, dead cops, when do we want them, now" or "you shoot us, We shoot you. Those protests also involved trespass and destruction of property along with several felonies AND yet those were classified as "peaceful protests" as I posted, where have our values gone?

 

[Vylo]

By what standard to you claim that. Need I point out the BLM protests have shouted "what do we want, dead cops, when do we want them, now" or "you shoot us, We shoot you. Those protests also involved trespass and destruction of property along with several felonies AND yet those were classified as "peaceful protests" as I posted, where have our values gone?

a couple of things. most of those protests were indeed peaceful. The people who committed felonies were arrested and charged. None of what they did came to the level of sedition or insurrection. Their threats while certainly pushing the line of the 1st amendment did not cross it. They were not calling out to kill a person or group of people directly while storming the building they were in. And beyond all that, their threats were directed at a group of people that was executing them in the streets. People that were killing them.

None of that could be said about the capitol rioters. They came with the express purpose to overturn the election, overthrow the government, and kill politicians. There was explicit planning ahead of time, people called actively and outloud, for the specific killing of individuals who were present in the building they were forcefully storming. And all of this was simply because their candidate failed to win an election.

 

[disciple Clint]

a couple of things. most of those protests were indeed peaceful. The people who committed felonies were arrested and charged. None of what they did came to the level of sedition or insurrection. Their threats while certainly pushing the line of the 1st amendment did not cross it. They were not calling out to kill a person or group of people directly while storming the building they were in. And beyond all that, their threats were directed at a group of people that was executing them in the streets. People that were killing them.

None of that could be said about the capitol rioters. They came with the express purpose to overturn the election, overthrow the government, and kill politicians. There was explicit planning ahead of time, people called actively and outloud, for the specific killing of individuals who were present in the building they were forcefully storming. And all of this was simply because their candidate failed to win an election.

And beyond all that, their threats were directed at a group of people that was executing them in the streets. People that were killing them.

No one is being executed in the streets, that is a false narrative with no facts to support it. Just as there are no facts to justify executing that unarmed woman

 

[Nithavela]

I remember C-SPAN looking like Mad Max.

 

[Vylo]

No one is being executed in the streets, that is a false narrative with no facts to support it. Just as there are no facts to justify executing that unarmed woman

George floyd begs to differ, as does Castile, Shavier, Garner, and many others.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Gang members huh? Could be they were along for some looting wouldn't surprise me as there are opportunistic criminals in crowds taking advantage of large groups of people.

Indeed -- and those criminals should be prosecuted, and their criminal connections investigated.

I am sure they were some of them here breaking into several stores I saw on TV them breaking into an auto parts store throwing a rock through the window etc.
It is likely these are not Trump supporters at all..... not there to "insurrect" or take the capitol or whatever

Well, when they are investigated, any connection to Donald (or lack thereof) will come to light, and we'll know the truth.

As for conspiracy that would be hard to tell as conspiracy can be about anything.

Fortunately, U.S. law explains what conspiracy is, so for people who understand the law, it's actually not that hard to tell.

"If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)"

See? Easy-peasy!

What I've learned from endless watching of crime shows is

...obviously not that television is an inadequate teacher of U.S. Law.

sometimes it is hard to get to the bottom of things as criminals lie whenever it profits them and will turn on others to save themselves and it could take some time to sort out the truth in that situation.

Well, gosh... good thing that real-life law enforcement has more than 42 minutes a week (allowing for commercials) to get to the bottom of it.

Some criminals are smart enough <snip>

Nobody who raided the Capitol and got caught by boasting about it on social media qualifies as "smart enough" for much of anything.

that people interrogating them have to be careful to not "lead" their thinking by personal opinion and bias as they will latch onto something you say and agree wit it if they think they can get some time off their sentence.

Criminals that smart are usually smart enough to not get caught.

But fret not -- the police are pretty smart themselves. They do this for a living, whereas there weren't too many career criminals at the riot.

You could see that group of 30 drop to less than a dozen hard core people and the rest "go alongs" (followers).

And I trust the police are competent to separate the regular morons from the dangerous morons.

I expect to see a few mentally unstable people in the midst of arrests likely they resisted arrest thinking that something nutty will happen to them like an alien probe etc.

I find it unlikely that anyone participating in the Capitol riot was a paragon of mental health.

Again, fret not -- the police will be able to separate those who are dangerous from those who are only dangerous to themselves.

 

[TLK Valentine]

What does that have to do with her. You dont just pick out someone at random and execute them for the sins of all.

She wasn't picked at random -- she was shot in the shoulder while she was in the middle of committing a crime -- breaking into the Capitol building by crawling through a broken window.

Perhaps had she not chosen to participate in a riot, first responders would have gotten her to the hospital in time to save her life. Of course, had she chosen not to participate in a riot, it's most likely she never would've gotten shot in the first place.

 

[disciple Clint]

George floyd begs to differ, as does Castile, Shavier, Garner, and many others.

Those many others might, just might amount to 5 people per year, not that those 5 people are not important but it hardly justifies claims of executions in the streets.

 

[disciple Clint]

She wasn't picked at random -- she was shot in the shoulder while she was in the middle of committing a crime -- breaking into the Capitol building by crawling through a broken window.

Perhaps had she not chosen to participate in a riot, first responders would have gotten her to the hospital in time to save her life. Of course, had she chosen not to participate in a riot, it's most likely she never would've gotten shot in the first place.

Again she did nothing that deserved death. There was no justification for the use of deadly force, does it not cause you any concern that this entire event was withheld from the public to the extent possible. Now that is the only person who has been shot by the police in the past two years that there was not a public outcry and demonstrations asking for the facts and the officer to be charged.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Again she did nothing that deserved death.

Which makes her death a tragedy --albeit one of her own making.

There was no justification for the use of deadly force,

#whenthelootingstartstheshootingstarts

Don't cheer the slogans if you don't expect them to be applied.

does it not cause you any concern that this entire event was withheld from the public to the extent possible.

No idea what you're going on about. A criminal met a criminal's end. Unfortunate, but avoidable.

Now that is the only person who has been shot by the police in the past two years that there was not a public outcry and demonstrations asking for the facts and the officer to be charged.

Because she wasn't innocent -- she was in the middle of committing a crime and was caught dead to rights (no pun intended).

What has she done to merit a public outcry? You can't claim "being innocent."

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Those many others might, just might amount to 5 people per year, not that those 5 people are not important but it hardly justifies claims of executions in the streets.

How many would it take?

 

[Belk]

It could land you in trouble if it was proven to be a threat. The problem is in the proof of it. If it is proven that the person pointing a gun at someone would not have used it then there is no real threat and if the person the gun was pointed at didn't feel his life was in danger then no issue.
If it was considered a threat still doesn't reach the status of attempted murder automatically that has to be determined in a court of law.

It lands you in trouble if it is a threat. Saying "I am going to kill you" and pointing a gun at someone, the original statement made, is by definition a threat.

Everything has to be determined in a court of law. That is how our justice system works.

 

[Belk]

Again she did nothing that deserved death. There was no justification for the use of deadly force, does it not cause you any concern that this entire event was withheld from the public to the extent possible. Now that is the only person who has been shot by the police in the past two years that there was not a public outcry and demonstrations asking for the facts and the officer to be charged.

In what way was it withheld?