What do you believe about January 6th?

[Pommer]

You can call me a conspiracy theorist but I believe the left overthrew the election using every trick there is and the fact that no court would even entertain the evidence given to me speaks it all.

That ^^^this is easier for you to believe rather than, you know, Donald Trump just lost his re-election bid, shows us all why we’re here still talking about Himself.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

You've got to be kidding..... severe consequences for only Trump supporters isn't going to stop the left from doing exactly what they accuse Trump supporters of doing. You can call me a conspiracy theorist but I believe the left overthrew the election using every trick there is and the fact that no court would even entertain the evidence given to me speaks it all. If they were about justice they would join in on investigating any possible mention of election fraud instead of trying to bury it and shame people for desiring to be sure.
You also have the left fabricating the "Russian Collusion" hoax with the intention lf convincing people Trump "bought" the election so they can remove him from office.. which is essentially overthrowing the government.
No..... these people need to be tried for what they did..... nothing less and nothing more. Those who deserve leniency should receive it those who do not should not. Fair trials and fair sentences no reporters in the courtrooms no political interference from either party in it all and court orders to silence people involved in trials from revealing things that can upset things till it is all over with. The media needs to shut up and stop pouring gasoline on this as they are tainting the jury pool making it harder and harder to find jurors that will be fair that haven't bought into propaganda presented to them in the media.

If people see there is severe consequences for trying to overthrow the government, they will be less likely to do it whether those people are on the Right or the Left. Absolutely have fair trials. Have full investigation over who participated, who lent support, who encouraged it. Have it all out in the open so puppet masters pulling the strings are seen by all.

Trump’s own lawyers, when asked in court if they were alleging election fraud said they were not. There was none, the courts shut it down because there was none. This is nothing but a sideshow to rile up Trump’s base into enough of a frenzy to overthrow the government and install Trump as king. It nearly worked but now it is time to atone for those deeds. Step out of the way and let the work be done or risk being lumped in with the traitors.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You've got to be kidding..... severe consequences for only Trump supporters isn't going to stop the left from doing exactly what they accuse Trump supporters of doing. You can call me a conspiracy theorist but I believe the left overthrew the election using every trick there is and the fact that no court would even entertain the evidence given to me speaks it all. If they were about justice they would join in on investigating any possible mention of election fraud instead of trying to bury it and shame people for desiring to be sure.
You also have the left fabricating the "Russian Collusion" hoax with the intention lf convincing people Trump "bought" the election so they can remove him from office.. which is essentially overthrowing the government.

That's nice. Where were the Russians when the Capitol was being sacked?

No..... these people need to be tried for what they did..... nothing less and nothing more. Those who deserve leniency should receive it those who do not should not. Fair trials and fair sentences no reporters in the courtrooms no political interference from either party in it all and court orders to silence people involved in trials from revealing things that can upset things till it is all over with. The media needs to shut up and stop pouring gasoline on this as they are tainting the jury pool making it harder and harder to find jurors that will be fair that haven't bought into propaganda presented to them in the media.

IIRC, most of the people who have already been are only being charged with misdemeanors.

Of the approximately 440 arrests so far, about 350 are being charged with trespassing, remaining in a restricted building, vandalism.... that sort of thing. They'll be treated leniently... as long as they don't already have criminal records. Fair enough?

There are about 125 charges of assaulting police officers and resisting arrest. Assuming that the "law and order" claptrap isn't just a bunch of balloon juice, such people should not be treated leniently... right?

What we know about the Capitol riot arrests - CBS News

 

[TLK Valentine]

Probably sacking somewhere else in the country....

You don't say? Where else was being sacked on January 6?

but then since the people BLM attack and kill are just your average white and black person instead of an elite politician their safety from harm means nothing.

Wow, you really are frightened of them...

We have to protect corrupt senators and congressmen but can ignore black business owners let BLM get them killed while we excoriate Trump supporters who killed.... nobody.

Well, that's not entirely true -- they got four of themselves killed.

 

[Sophrosyne]

That ^^^this is easier for you to believe rather than, you know, Donald Trump just lost his re-election bid, shows us all why we’re here still talking about Himself.

Isn't the left now using the notion to those who don't want an investigation into Jan 6 that if you didn't do anything wrong why aren't you allowing an investigation if you have nothing to hide....

 

[TLK Valentine]

What do I believe about January 6?

...I believe Andrew Clyde had to throw out those pants.

 

[Sophrosyne]

That's nice. Where were the Russians when the Capitol was being sacked?



IIRC, most of the people who have already been are only being charged with misdemeanors.

Of the approximately 440 arrests so far, about 350 are being charged with trespassing, remaining in a restricted building, vandalism.... that sort of thing. They'll be treated leniently... as long as they don't already have criminal records. Fair enough?

There are about 125 charges of assaulting police officers and resisting arrest. Assuming that the "law and order" claptrap isn't just a bunch of balloon juice, such people should not be treated leniently... right?

What we know about the Capitol riot arrests - CBS News

Sounds to me like a lot less of an issue than "advertised" by the left. Of a huge crowd we have about 350 thrill seekers and about 125 people that may be troublemakers. Resisting arrest doesn't really tell you what they are charged with they could just be more trespassers that didn't want to be caught.

 

[Sophrosyne]

What do I believe about January 6?

...I believe Andrew Clyde had to throw out those pants.

Yeah.... we have loons in congress and they aren't limited to one side either.
I think the tourist notion is a bit much but a lot less of an exaggeration than the insurrection notion is.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sounds to me like a lot less of an issue than "advertised" by the left. Of a huge crowd we have about 350 thrill seekers and about 125 people that may be troublemakers. Resisting arrest doesn't really tell you what they are charged with they could just be more trespassers that didn't want to be caught.

And about 57 known gang members, and another 30 being accused of conspiracy.

And I maintain that the best way not to be caught is to not commit a crime.

 

[Pommer]

Sounds to me like a lot less of an issue than "advertised" by the left. Of a huge crowd we have about 350 thrill seekers and about 125 people that may be troublemakers. Resisting arrest doesn't really tell you what they are charged with they could just be more trespassers that didn't want to be caught.

Thank you. It was a joy to read your carefully crafted attempt at minimization.
They were people whom mostly got “caught up in the crowd”, and got dragged along on an adventure!
Well, the adventure...it continueth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yeah.... we have loons in congress and they aren't limited to one side either.
I think the tourist notion is a bit much but a lot less of an exaggeration than the insurrection notion is.

Your skills at downplaying are far better than his.

 

[wing2000]

If you support those on the left then you have by default aligned yourself with people who spent almost all of last year defending, supporting, condoning, and refusing to prosecute violent acts by BLM. The fact we have this big push to investigate the Trump supporters by the same people who refused to listen many deaths and a billion dollars of property loss, terrorizing neighborhoods. These people are YOU... the left and they could have stood up to this and stopped it all but...... almost NOBODY on the left stood for justice and wanted BLM investigated and when they stormed and controlled whole neighborhoods and demanded people surrender their houses and blackmailed businesses for money.... silence from the left.
Now you folks want to try and take the moral high ground on Trump supporters? Give me a break. Clean your own house before accusing others of their dirt. The left only wants to fund police if they go after Trump supporters they don't want to fund them if they go after BLM.

I support those who stand for peaceful protest.

I am not the Left nor the Right. I am American Citizen who support democracy.

...and btw, you didn't answer my question.

 

[Sophrosyne]

And about 57 known gang members, and another 30 being accused of conspiracy.

And I maintain that the best way not to be caught is to not commit a crime.

Gang members huh? Could be they were along for some looting wouldn't surprise me as there are opportunistic criminals in crowds taking advantage of large groups of people. I am sure they were some of them here breaking into several stores I saw on TV them breaking into an auto parts store throwing a rock through the window etc.
It is likely these are not Trump supporters at all..... not there to "insurrect" or take the capitol or whatever
As for conspiracy that would be hard to tell as conspiracy can be about anything.
What I've learned from endless watching of crime shows is sometimes it is hard to get to the bottom of things as criminals lie whenever it profits them and will turn on others to save themselves and it could take some time to sort out the truth in that situation. Some criminals are smart enough that people interrogating them have to be careful to not "lead" their thinking by personal opinion and bias as they will latch onto something you say and agree wit it if they think they can get some time off their sentence. You could see that group of 30 drop to less than a dozen hard core people and the rest "go alongs" (followers).
I expect to see a few mentally unstable people in the midst of arrests likely they resisted arrest thinking that something nutty will happen to them like an alien probe etc.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Your skills at downplaying are far better than his.

likely because I'm not a politician and spend more time trying to figure people out than trying to win people over to me. I don't have to "make things up" to please others or compromise on my ideology.
Honesty comes more easy when you have little to prove or lose perhaps.
I've been around people that love to blow things out of proportion and when you are around people like that you have to downplay things so you can get a framework as to what the truth "can be" not what others imagine it to be. I grew up with a father who would be paralyzed by problems that he was smart enough to solve easily but he would entertain every imaginable thing that "could" happen before he tried to solve a problem instead of keeping things simple and working towards fixing things. I have a tendancy to blow things a little out of proportion at times so when I'm thinking I like to compensate for that.
If you take a situation with people involved the more complicated things are the more people have to be involved and the more planning there has to be and the more time that is needed for the planning.
In other words the bigger the undertaking the more likely you have an overload of people and problems.
the fact you have so few people involved (so far) in this incident suggests either very intelligent people involved or very limited planning to the point failure it most likely. If they had arrested 1000 people and found weapongs and home made bombs and detonators and all sorts of electronic sensors and monitors and cameras I could more believe that a takover was planned. No guns or monitor cameras or encrypted walkie talkie systems means nobody thought ahead that had half a brain. To "take over" something and not want to keep it is more akin to just playing king of the hill and nothing more. It is the action and preparation of keeping something that shows planning and value of the venture otherwise it is just mindless gambling and thrills.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Thank you. It was a joy to read your carefully crafted attempt at minimization.
They were people whom mostly got “caught up in the crowd”, and got dragged along on an adventure!
Well, the adventure...it continueth.

Well there are probably 1000s of youtube vids of people that are thrillseekers and a Trump protest where you could sneak in the capitol and write nonsense on the walls and take a picture and show to your brain dead friend how cool you are is a big possibility. Until it is all over who knows what was on the minds of a lot of these bozos they could have someone think that if they sneak in the capitol and get in the office of the police department they can steal donuts from them.

 

[Belk]

You been talking as if everyone is guilty, if you don't have proof why insist things as if they are facts?
Nonsense it is not illegal to point a gun at someone happens often. No court of law is going to consider it a crime without extenuating circumstances to support it. One has to have a valid threat involved to even start considering it illegal. Protection orders are typically given for people who are "threatened" by someone with a gun and they typically are not arrested the first time it happens by default.

If you make exaggerated claims without substantiated proof (which you claim to not have) then we can compare the actions of others making such claims and other situations that are very similar where those claims were not made and ascertain why the angst now and not then?

Not only is it illegal, just improperly displaying that you have a weapon can be construed as a threat and land you in trouble.

What Does Brandishing Mean? And Why You Should Never Do It… - USA Carry

 

[disciple Clint]

She participated in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government. She was a traitor to this country and met a traitor’s end.

Since when is a protestor in the U.S.A. considered a traitor or subject to execution, where have our values gone.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I support those who stand for peaceful protest.

I am not the Left nor the Right. I am American Citizen who support democracy.

...and btw, you didn't answer my question.

Umm..... if you say so.
As to your question (I had to look for it) I see people who have pretty much bought into this idea and are propagating it emotionally that Trump supporters are violent and that this conspiracy to overthrow the government is substantial and that a huge amount of them (broad brush) are guilty. They seem to think that the purpose of most of them it to murder pence and that the gallows prop if the proof of it all. They both want to say these people planned this "insurrection" yet the same people are idiots and yet we have to hold everyone there responsible including Trump for this "attack" on the Capitol. I'm seeing a pattern in that this is a broad narrative with several accusations based at claiming the this protest was likely created to "destroy democracy".
This it the sort of fantasy I've seen over and over and over again from the left. It is rather obvious and anyone here that is jumping on the "train" of this idea is on the train owned by the left so regardless of what you claim to be left or not if you buy into this narrative you are siding and participating along with the left and the left condones the violence of BLM because the moral thing to do is to HALT violence. We have seen the leaders on the left REFUSE to call out the national guard to STOP violence and I have seen many here in the forum NOT step up and say.... we should send in help to STOP it..... instead they make excuses.
Now are you one that has called for a halt to violence in the BLM areas where Trump volunteered the help of the nation guard or are you someone that is fine with people getting killed because of INACTION?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Not only is it illegal, just improperly displaying that you have a weapon can be construed as a threat and land you in trouble.

What Does Brandishing Mean? And Why You Should Never Do It… - USA Carry

It could land you in trouble if it was proven to be a threat. The problem is in the proof of it. If it is proven that the person pointing a gun at someone would not have used it then there is no real threat and if the person the gun was pointed at didn't feel his life was in danger then no issue.
If it was considered a threat still doesn't reach the status of attempted murder automatically that has to be determined in a court of law.

 

[wing2000]

Umm..... if you say so.
As to your question (I had to look for it) I see people who have pretty much bought into this idea and are propagating it emotionally that Trump supporters are violent and that this conspiracy to overthrow the government is substantial and that a huge amount of them (broad brush) are guilty. They seem to think that the purpose of most of them it to murder pence and that the gallows prop if the proof of it all. They both want to say these people planned this "insurrection" yet the same people are idiots and yet we have to hold everyone there responsible including Trump for this "attack" on the Capitol. I'm seeing a pattern in that this is a broad narrative with several accusations based at claiming the this protest was likely created to "destroy democracy".
This it the sort of fantasy I've seen over and over and over again from the left. It is rather obvious and anyone here that is jumping on the "train" of this idea is on the train owned by the left so regardless of what you claim to be left or not if you buy into this narrative you are siding and participating along with the left and the left condones the violence of BLM because the moral thing to do is to HALT violence. We have seen the leaders on the left REFUSE to call out the national guard to STOP violence and I have seen many here in the forum NOT step up and say.... we should send in help to STOP it..... instead they make excuses.
Now are you one that has called for a halt to violence in the BLM areas where Trump volunteered the help of the nation guard or are you someone that is fine with people getting killed because of INACTION?

If you want to box people into your pre-defined boxes so be it. I'm not buying it. Your posts are filled the same political narrative that you accuse others of.