Liz Cheney out of #3 House GOP role - on a voice vote

[Albion]

Strange , she voted 93% of the time with Trump. I guess 100% agreement and loyoltaty is demanded. Interesting.

The issue that led to the action against Rep. Cheney concerned something else. It's been explained several times on this thread.

 

[hislegacy]

If I checked the Republican platform, what would I find?

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/doc...00.2055661719.1598124638-455285808.1584478680

There you go!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The issue that led to the action against Rep. Cheney concerned something else. It's been explained several times on this thread.

Albion. I would like you to tell me. PLEASE. Thank you.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

That's already been carefully explained several times on this or a parallel thread dealing with the same topic. Probably the best reply I can give you is to suggest you check into those posts.

I did. You said it was explained in this post: Republican House Leadership: Capitulated to Trump's Big Lie

As you put it in that post, it sure as heck sounds like she was ousted for "opposing Trump."

The "thing" is, however, that she was elected to an internal post as a leader of the House Republicans and then made it a point to slam the most popular Republican in the country, using the same accusations and wording that many Democrats have used...and she won't shut up about it even after she's attracted nationwide attention for it!

If you're saying that she wasn't, I would think that you'd want to provide a better explanation.

 

[Albion]

Albion. I would like you to tell me. PLEASE. Thank you.

All right, Maria. Of the several different posts that offered the info you ask for, the following is taken from the most detailed one --

The House Republicans are not trying to kick Cheney out of Congress, and she is not being cast by most of the House Republicans as a phony Republican, either. In addition, the House Republican leader stated that it's not about anyone failing to vote with the majority of the Republicans in Congress.

The "thing" is, however, that she was elected to an internal post as a leader of the House Republicans and then she made it a point to repeatedly slam the most popular Republican in the country, using the same accusations and even the same wording that many Democrats have used. After the vote removing her from her leadership job, she went immediately to the press to say that she intends to lead the fight to keep Trump from ever being elected President again.

As several Republicans in Congress stated, her voting record wasn't the issue, and the Party includes plenty of people who disagree with some of Trump's public positions and policies, but when a Congresswoman who has been elected to leadership and to foster cooperation among the Republicans in the House of Representatives, chooses to divide instead of unify, and makes attacking Trump her main preoccupation, going so far as to using the Democratic talking points to do it, she's no longer able to do the job she was elected to and which requires the confidence of the 200+ Republicans in the House.

 

[tz620q]

Since she had a much more solid record of voting consistently with GOP policies then the person who is likely to succeed her (68% to 45% last I heard) you claims seem hard to credit. It seems much more that she is required to buy into the lie of Trump winning the election. That appears to be the deciding factor.

That might happen. I heard that CPAC rated Cheney at something like 98% voting for conservative causes while Elise Stefanik had a 84% record. This thought that Republicans have to buy into the lie makes good soundbites on CNN; but really seems detached from reality. There are many Republicans that have accepted the election certification and are moving forward. In one sense you are right, Cheney's never Trump attitude does put her at odds with the GOP. The issue isn't the last election, that is done. It's who will lead the GOP into the next election. Having a GOP chairperson that continually bashes a potential GOP candidate is just bad politics.

 

[Belk]

That might happen. I heard that CPAC rated Cheney at something like 98% voting for conservative causes while Elise Stefanik had a 84% record. This thought that Republicans have to buy into the lie makes good soundbites on CNN; but really seems detached from reality. There are many Republicans that have accepted the election certification and are moving forward. In one sense you are right, Cheney's never Trump attitude does put her at odds with the GOP. The issue isn't the last election, that is done. It's who will lead the GOP into the next election. Having a GOP chairperson that continually bashes a potential GOP candidate is just bad politics.

Then why are traditionally conservative sources making the same claim? The wall street journal for example.

Ms. Cheney had clashed with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) and other senior Republicans by pushing back aggressively and publicly on Mr. Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election had been stolen from him. It was a distraction the party couldn’t afford, her detractors said.

Liz Cheney Ousted From House Republican Leadership

 

[tz620q]

Strange , she voted 93% of the time with Trump. I guess 100% agreement and loyoltaty is demanded. Interesting.

Maria, I would strongly recommend you watch something other than CNN and MSNBC, at least a little. I find the coverage of most events like this on CNN and MSNBC to be so arrogantly agenda driven as to be laughable by anyone who is seeking an unbiased viewpoint. Point in case is their coverage of the last Rand Paul/Fauci argument. They only showed Fauci telling Rand Paul that he was completely mistaken without even showing the statement that Rand Paul had made to cause Fauci's comments. This sort of 5 seconds of coverage followed by 5 minutes of commentary is really not news. It is just a long editorial backed with the flimsiest of evidence. When we are 120 days into the Presidency of Joe Biden, the thought that we have to keep the Big Lie in front of the people is just a tactic used by CNN and MSNBC to prevent substantive dialogue on the current administration.

 

[lasthero]

He does realize that she was fired from her job Caucus Chair and not as an elected official right?

Probably not. For a man who ran the country for four years, he understands surprisingly little about the way it actually works.

 

[Albion]

That might happen. I heard that CPAC rated Cheney at something like 98% voting for conservative causes while Elise Stefanik had a 84% record.

Other rating services have put Stefanik's voting record lower than that, but this only proves that replacing Cheney with Stefanik is not about how conservative Cheney's voting record has been or even whether criticism of President Trump is tolerated among House Republicans. Neither of those claims that we've all read somewhere or other holds up to an examination of the facts.

 

[tz620q]

Then why are traditionally conservative sources making the same claim? The wall street journal for example.



Liz Cheney Ousted From House Republican Leadership

You are right. Her stance on Trump is what led to the vote and why she lost; but the article makes it clear that this is about restoring party unity and moving forward to the next election, which the GOP felt could not be done with a never-Trumper as their chairperson.

 

[tz620q]

You're saying the GOP is no longer the party of Trump?

The GOP has existed a lot longer than Trump and will exist after his political career is over. This idea of painting the GOP as the party of Trump allows the mainstream media to use the hatred they have built over the last four years of Trump to whitewash the GOP as a whole. Trump was the candidate for the GOP in the last election. That is done. Of course members of the GOP supported him during that campaign and election, just as Dems supported Biden. Perhaps people should look at this without animus and realize that Trump was astute enough in 2015 to sense the swell of a populist platform and ride that swell into the oval office. That swell existed before Trump became their candidate and it still exists today with Trump out of office.

 

[Brihaha]

That might happen. I heard that CPAC rated Cheney at something like 98% voting for conservative causes while Elise Stefanik had a 84% record. This thought that Republicans have to buy into the lie makes good soundbites on CNN; but really seems detached from reality. There are many Republicans that have accepted the election certification and are moving forward. In one sense you are right, Cheney's never Trump attitude does put her at odds with the GOP. The issue isn't the last election, that is done. It's who will lead the GOP into the next election. Having a GOP chairperson that continually bashes a potential GOP candidate is just bad politics.

Yet allowing a losing presidential candidate to undermine democracy is even worse! Trump continues his lies and someone responsible needs to step up and speak for truth. Liz is the only one willing to call out trumps lies. The other invertebrates don't want to upset the gullible fundraising cart!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Strange , she voted 93% of the time with Trump. I guess 100% agreement and loyoltaty is demanded. Interesting.

Guess Donald's stock dropped 7% on January 6.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The House Republicans are not trying to kick Cheney out of Congress, and she is not being cast by most of the House Republicans as a phony Republican, either.

Okay.

In addition, the House Republican leader stated that it's not about anyone failing to vote with the majority of the Republicans in Congress.

Uh huh.

The "thing" is, however, that she was elected to an internal post as a leader of the House Republicans and then she made it a point to repeatedly slam the most popular Republican in the country, using the same accusations and even the same wording that many Democrats have used. After the vote removing her from her leadership job, she went immediately to the press to say that she intends to lead the fight to keep Trump from ever being elected President again.

In other words, "opposing Trump."

As several Republicans in Congress stated, her voting record wasn't the issue, and the Party includes plenty of people who disagree with some of Trump's public positions and policies, but when a Congresswoman who has been elected to leadership and to foster cooperation among the Republicans in the House of Representatives, chooses to divide instead of unify, and makes attacking Trump her main preoccupation, going so far as to using the Democratic talking points to do it, she's no longer able to do the job she was elected to and which requires the confidence of the 200+ Republicans in the House.

So..."opposing Trump"?

Seriously, it's no skin off my back if that's why she's losing her position. I'm just trying to figure out why you keep saying that it isn't.

 

[Belk]

You are right. Her stance on Trump is what led to the vote and why she lost; but the article makes it clear that this is about restoring party unity and moving forward to the next election, which the GOP felt could not be done with a never-Trumper as their chairperson.

She was not a "never-Trumper". She had no issues with Trump and worked with him just fine right up to the point where he started lying about his election loss and the idea that there was massive voter fraud.

 

[Pommer]

That's already been carefully explained several times on this or a parallel thread dealing with the same topic. Probably the best reply I can give you is to suggest you check into those posts.

This is great...like when I’m in Home Depot and ask “where can I find this widget (doo-dad, thingamabob, etc), and the “worker” says, “if we have it it’s down in aisle three”!
It’s not helpful.
Good thing that neither one of us get paid to post here!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

This is great...like when I’m in Home Depot and ask “where can I find this widget (doo-dad, thingamabob, etc), and the “worker” says, “if we have it it’s down in aisle three”!
It’s not helpful.
Good thing that neither one of us get paid to post here!

Widgets are in aisle 7 about half way on the top shelf right side.
Doo-das are in aisle 4 at the beginning middle shelf left side.
Thingamabobs are no longer carried.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

All right, Maria. Of the several different posts that offered the info you ask for, the following is taken from the most detailed one --

The House Republicans are not trying to kick Cheney out of Congress, and she is not being cast by most of the House Republicans as a phony Republican, either. In addition, the House Republican leader stated that it's not about anyone failing to vote with the majority of the Republicans in Congress.

The "thing" is, however, that she was elected to an internal post as a leader of the House Republicans and then she made it a point to repeatedly slam the most popular Republican in the country, using the same accusations and even the same wording that many Democrats have used. After the vote removing her from her leadership job, she went immediately to the press to say that she intends to lead the fight to keep Trump from ever being elected President again.

As several Republicans in Congress stated, her voting record wasn't the issue, and the Party includes plenty of people who disagree with some of Trump's public positions and policies, but when a Congresswoman who has been elected to leadership and to foster cooperation among the Republicans in the House of Representatives, chooses to divide instead of unify, and makes attacking Trump her main preoccupation, going so far as to using the Democratic talking points to do it, she's no longer able to do the job she was elected to and which requires the confidence of the 200+ Republicans in the House.

Thank you! Be blessed.

 

[tz620q]

Yet allowing a losing presidential candidate to undermine democracy is even worse! Trump continues his lies and someone responsible needs to step up and speak for truth. Liz is the only one willing to call out trumps lies. The other invertebrates don't want to upset the gullible fundraising cart!

Being disagreeable is not the same as disagreement.