of course scripture has no flaws. But scripture never claims to contain the total of the Christian faith.
Paul is referencing the Tanakh. The scripture Timothy knew from his youth was the Tanakh, not the bible.
Which is why Jesus commanded us to listen to the Church (Mat 18:17) and not follow the novel ideas of people like Henry VIII, Luther, Calvin, ETC.
again, Christ commanded us to listen to the Church.
I'll be done. I'd rather not derail your thread any longer.
friend Matthew 18:16-18 i dont reject like i said this isnt an argument from ignorance i already know of the many flaws of the RCC church of Rome the founding of Antioch also The 4 ecumencial councils such as Chalcedon ik almost all the many interesting core beliefs seen universal in your church that was inconclusive early 2nd century the rock is peter Jesus builded the rock on him wat does that entail? what churches was founded? what church was founded by Peter? alot of questions that we fall to we wall to primacy vs supremacy infallibility vs fallibilty Catholic vs Unorthodox we continue to fall in those categories just becuz im young ad impressionable doesnt mean i am ignorant wat so ever in church history
alot of saints didnt see it in your faith wise as i can quote Bruno of Segni’s beliefs on the rock and St.Hilary aswell to show what i mean
"You say, and you speak truth, because I am the Christ, Son of the living God: and I speak to you, because you are Peter, strong in faith, and in stable doctrine. In fact, unless in this name of fortitude and stability Christ would have had understood, not by it [the rock/petram] which onward it is followed to have had been joined, saying: and upon this rock I will build my Church. If you do not understand Peter, [then] look at the rock: but the rock is Christ. Yes, therefore, Peter [is] from the rock, just as a Christian [is] from Christ. Accordingly we may see what shall be and upon this rock I will build my Church. Upon this rock, which only you have laid in the foundation of faith; upon this faith, which only you have taught, saying: You are Christ, Son of the living God; upon this rock and upon this faith I will build my Church"." In fact, this is principally said to Peter, and it ought to be understood as being said to the rest of the apostles".
Bruno Astensis Montis Casini Abbas - Commentaria In Matthaeum [1107-1111] Full Text at Documenta Catholica Omnia
"This faith it is which is the foundation of the Church; through this faith the gates of hell cannot prevail against her. This is the faith which has the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatsoever this faith shall have loosed or bound on earth shall be loosed or bound in heaven. This faith is the Father’s gift by revelation; even the knowledge that we must not imagine a false Christ, a creature made out of nothing, but must confess Him the Son of God, truly possessed of the Divine nature. What blasphemous madness and pitiful folly is it, that will not heed the venerable age and faith of that blessed martyr, Peter himself, for whom the Father was prayed that his faith might not fail in temptation; who twice repeated the declaration of love for God that was demanded of him, and was grieved that he was tested by a third renewal of the question, as though it were a doubtful and wavering devotion, and then, because this third trial had cleansed him of his infirmities, had the reward of hearing the Lord’s commission, Feed My sheep, a third time repeated; who, when all the Apostles were silent, alone recognised by the Father’s revelation the Son of God, and won the pre-eminence of a glory beyond the reach of human frailty by his confession of his blissful faith! What are the conclusions forced upon us by the study of his words? He confessed that Christ is the Son of God; you, lying bishop of the new apostolate, thrust upon us your modern notion that Christ is a creature, made out of nothing. What violence is this, that so distorts the glorious words? The very reason why he is blessed is that he confessed the Son of God. This is the Father’s revelation, this the foundation of the Church, this the assurance of her permanence. Hence has she the keys of the kingdom of heaven, hence judgment in heaven and judgment on earth".
CHURCH FATHERS: On the Trinity, Book VI (Hilary of Poitiers)
These saints seen it as metaphorical and not literal supreme authority of your church or Peter himself it would seem an exegesis is afoot and must be pointed out and answered, They focused on the rock as either being Christ or the confession of faith. Almost all of the writers considered the keys to be the exact same as the powers of binding and loosing, and not to be a distinct entity. The only exceptions are Jerome and Rupert, only because Jerome and Rupert do not discuss the keys. Therefore, they all believed that all of the apostles received the keys, with a few exceptions: Hrabanus Maurus, Paschasius Radbertus, and Hilary of Poitiers . Their positions were quite radical in that they believed that every Christian believer held the keys by virtue of faith, not just the apostles and their successors. Im asking a question on indulgences not papal supremacy because thats a topic i dont feel to discuss on if we have to discuss radically on that and also the 1st premise that scripture doesn't state that thats not my premise even catholics would say that they believe that scripture the source material for beliefs and 2nd premise that argument doesn't even make sense fam to the verse or even what im addressing
3rd premise was addressed by refuting papal supremacy by saints you believe entails your beliefs