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[SabbathBlessings]

He commanded us to Listen to the Church. You cant get around it.

I prefer to listen to the holy Spirit Isaiah 30:21 And be guided by God's Word.

 

[concretecamper]

I prefer to listen to the holy Spirit Isaiah 30:21 And be guided by God's Word.

why do you need to pick? You can do both: follow Jesus' commands AND follow the Holy Spirit. I do!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

why do you need to pick? You can do both: follow Jesus' commands AND follow the Holy Spirit. I do!

I do follow the commandments of God and allow the Holy Spirit to lead. I just don't agree "The Church aka Catholic Church" is necessarily Jesus's chosen church. When they start making traditions above God's commandments, I think they lost the path.

 

[concretecamper]

I do follow the commandments of God and allow the Holy Spirit to lead

then listen to the Church

I just don't agree "The Church aka Catholic Church" is necessarily Jesus's chosen church.

which one would you say it is?

When they start making traditions above God's commandments

such as?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

then listen to the Church
which one would you say it is?
such as?

Maybe you could provide scripture the Church is above God? Also the Church in the bible is not referring to the Catholic church.

There are many differences from the teaching of the Catholic church to what the bible teaches. Just to name a few Sabbath, baptism by immersion, Jesus is our High Priest, only Mediator and He can only forgive sins.

 

[concretecamper]

Maybe you could provide scripture the Church is above God?

the Church is not above God.

Also the Church in the bible is not referring to the Catholic church

then which one is it referring to. Remember, the Church Jesus was referring to has authority and the power to anathematize.

Just to name a few Sabbath

? Please clarify.

baptism by emersion

the Church doesn't baptize by immersion.

Jesus is our High Priest, only Mediator and He can only forgive sins.

the Church agrees.

 

[atpollard]

which one would you say it is?

The one where the WORD guides men rather than Men guiding the Word.

Romans 10:9-10 [NIV]

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.​

 

[concretecamper]

The one where the WORD guides men rather than Men guiding the Word.

then it would have to be the RCC. It cant be Henry Henry viii's Church, or Luther's Church, or White's Church, or Pastor Billy Bob's Church.

 

[atpollard]

then it would have to be the RCC. It cant be Henry Henry viii's Church, or Luther's Church, or White's Church, or Pastor Billy Bob's Church.

To the extent that one places their faith in Christ, they are part of His body; and to the extent that they place their faith in their baptism and their clergy, they are not. That applies to Catholics that worship the pope and Baptists that worship their pastor. (And all Christians that trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.)

No local, national or international congregation ever saved anyone ... only the Blood of Jesus saves (all who believe).

 

[atpollard]

then it would have to be the RCC

The OTHER Catholic Church (EOC/OOC) would disagree.

(... and are waiting to welcome the rebellious Bishop of Rome back into fellowship with the other Apostles.)

 

[dóxatotheó]

The OTHER Catholic Church (EOC/OOC) would disagree.

(... and are waiting to welcome the rebellious Bishop of Rome back into fellowship with the other Apostles.)

thank you i explained to him how his church exegesis saints and the bible itself he never even addressed my points

 

[dóxatotheó]

To the extent that one places their faith in Christ, they are part of His body; and to the extent that they place their faith in their baptism and their clergy, they are not. That applies to Catholics that worship the pope and Baptists that worship their pastor. (And all Christians that trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.)

No local, national or international congregation ever saved anyone ... only the Blood of Jesus saves (all who believe).

are you a person who believes the church is us and not a literal church basically invisible church doctrine?

 

[dóxatotheó]

Maybe you could provide scripture the Church is above God? Also the Church in the bible is not referring to the Catholic church.

There are many differences from the teaching of the Catholic church to what the bible teaches. Just to name a few Sabbath, baptism by immersion, Jesus is our High Priest, only Mediator and He can only forgive sins.

oh your a SDA may i ask do you believe that Christ ascension on Sunday wasn't a declaration of furfillment of the OT Commandments or you see it merely jus a ascension and not a furfillment?

 

[dóxatotheó]

then it would have to be the RCC. It cant be Henry Henry viii's Church, or Luther's Church, or White's Church, or Pastor Billy Bob's Church.

false gotta substaniate that this belief of the true Orthodox Catholic Church has been debated for years do you think it would be resolved by a special plead and not a provable statement even reformed churches have a core doctrine what separates them from you exactly????

 

[SabbathBlessings]

oh your a SDA may i ask do you believe that Christ ascension on Sunday wasn't a declaration of furfillment of the OT Commandments or you see it merely jus a ascension and not a furfillment?

Not sure what “oh your a SDA” means, but I believe in all Ten of God’s commandments and there is not one scripture in the Bible that says God’s commandments are abolished. Even the Catholic Church believes this, they just think they have the authority to change God’s laws as they see fit, but according to scripture we are not to change one Word. Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[dóxatotheó]

Not sure what “oh your a SDA” means, but I believe in all Ten of God’s commandments and there is not one scripture in the Bible that says God’s commandments are abolished. Even the Catholic Church believes this, they just think they have the authority to change God’s laws as they see fit, but according to scripture we are not to change one Word. Proverbs 30:5-6

sorry friend thats what you called a strawman of someones position never said laws were abolished you should denote furfillment vs abolishment and oh your a SDA means you dont believe Christ ascension was the furfillment of Saturday only worship and no im not saying the laws are done away with each law was atoned and furfilled through Christ each law was furfilled which doesn't mean change or abolished but rather more engraved the saintification and the Shabbath is still Saturday but Saturday only worship is clearly falsified with what Paul did in Corinth and Christ ascension on the Sunday if you believe my position is falsified can you prove this biblically and historically i think historically you fail miserably so biblically you should defend also im not defending the RCC shabbath on sunday new teaching but rather defending the position we can worship on Sunday not only saturday

 

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