Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

[Hans Blaster]

You're asking the wrong person. It says in the Bible that that the whole Earth was flooded. The underlying Hebrew can mean the world, the land, or just the parts of it that we know about or is significant to us, or even just dirt. Literalists have decided that it can only mean the entire world. I have no idea why.

I'm going to ponder a guess, perhaps someone with knowledge of the history of the text and its translations knows the answer:

Some royal lackey translated the Hebrew word in that fashion about ... let's say 500 years ago ... into English. And then the English speakers locked onto it.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Just trying to light a light bulb.

Try flicking a switch, not posting inanities.

 

[trophy33]

Nope.

Don't concentrate on the dove; concentrate (if you can) on the extent of the water mentioned.

Concentrate on the dove. There was no place on the whole earth for her. How far could she fly to check it?

 

[VirOptimus]

Well we both demonstrate it in our own ways, don't we?

One by a lack of knowledge; the other by a mental block.

Now you are projecting.

 

[trophy33]

You're asking the wrong person. It says in the Bible that that the whole Earth was flooded. The underlying Hebrew can mean the world, the land, or just the parts of it that we know about or is significant to us, or even just dirt.

But there is one word it cannot mean - a planet. Hebrews did not have a word for planet, because they had no concept of it.

Their "whole earth" was Mesopotamia.

 

[Job 33:6]

Survived WHAT?
Show your work.
Beam sizes, structural load bearing capacity, cellulose wood fibre tensile strength, buoyancy calculations...empirical data.
Come on! That's what 'rational' thinkers ought to be able to do.
You are the one making the unsubstantiated claim. Can you back it up?
I say the Ark floats. Thats my definition of "survive".
You say that's impossible. WHY?



Which chapter/verse ????
Have you read the text? Which part doesn't 'work' ?



Nope. The rules are that if you expect to falsify any specific bible verse you should provide specific evidence. Youre just making a vague brute fact claim - unsupported.



...says the person who wont/can't discuss their alleged evidence against the biblical account of the flood.

We could ask how this ark somehow survived some 600 degree Celsius (over 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit) temperatures which formed post-pangean amphibolite facies around the world which are typically attributed to the flood by flood advocates.

Unless of course there is no evidence of the flood, in which case this question wouldn't apply. But if the world's geologic succession were not evidence of a global flood, then what would be it's evidence? And if there were no evidence, and in fact evidence to the contrary, then why would anyone believe such a flood ever occurred?

How do you think Mesozoic amphibolite facies have formed? Or maybe you think that this is an irrelevant question that isn't worth asking?

Metamorphic facies - Wikipedia

 

[AV1611VET]

Concentrate on the dove. There was no place on the whole earth for her. How far could she fly to check it?

 

[trophy33]

Yes, yes... read everything in context, not just parts of sentences or some sentences.

 

[MIDutch]

They are feeble attempts to discredit the Flood.

Two of countless lines of evidence that discredits the flood.

You, OTOH, have exactly one line of "evidence" and a whole bunch of fabricated "evidence".

 

[AV1611VET]

Hebrews did not have a word for planet, because they had no concept of it.

Hebrews didn't write that.

And if you think they just hung around the Mesopotamian region for 1658 years, when God said to replenish the earth, you don't know much about population expansion, do you?

For scale, the United States went from Boston to Los Angeles, some 3000 miles, in under 200 years.

 

[AV1611VET]

Two of countless lines of evidence that discredits the flood.

Four.

Dan said:

Egypt. China. India. The Andes.

 

[trophy33]

Hebrews didn't write that.

Who wrote that, then? But give evidence, not just some fantasy.

 

[MIDutch]

Modern engineering can't even begin to build the Ark like it was built in Noah's time.

I think the best way to describe it would be a giant Jenga tower.

No screws, no nails, no nuts, no bolts, no fasteners -- just wood laid on top of wood and then coated inside and outside with pitch.

Modern engineering wouldn't be able to build the first two feet of the Ark.

Noah built the Ark, modern engineering built the Florida footbridge.

And you expect us to believe that some 600 year old bronze age guy could?

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Really?

 

[VirOptimus]

And you expect us to believe that some 600 year old bronze age guy could?

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Really?

Its funny how some dont see how absurd their claims are.

 

[MIDutch]

Four.

Dan said:

Thanks for the correction.

Four of countless lines of evidence that discredit the flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who wrote that, then?

My guess would be that Shem wrote it, seeing as Shem, Noah, and Abraham all lived together for 39 years; and Shem even schooled Isaac and Jacob.

But give evidence, not just some fantasy.

I can't.

The autographs decayed back to the Periodic Table.

But God had them rewritten.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you expect us to believe that some 600 year old bronze age guy could?

He had help, didn't he?

Psalm 127:1a Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:

 

[AV1611VET]

Its funny how some dont see how absurd their claims are.

No argument there.

 

[trophy33]

My guess would be that Shem wrote it, seeing as Shem, Noah, and Abraham all lived together for 39 years; and Shem even schooled Isaac and Jacob.I can't.

The autographs decayed back to the Periodic Table.

But God had them rewritten.

You made this up.

I can say aliens from Mars wrote it, but it decayed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Two of countless lines of evidence that discredits the flood.

I don't recognize your evidence as valid.