Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

[AV1611VET]

The trouble with using the Bible as a history book is that you have only one unattested source,

You mean God?

... which means that historians are not likely to take it very seriously.

Yup ... you meant God.

 

[inquiring mind]

Time always seems to be the wild card to me. Science can’t even explain why it only flows forward and not backward. And, at what point in time did our history supposedly become accurate (many argue never)? The Egyptian timeline is not even agreed upon by everyone New timeline for origin of ancient Egypt. No reason to pick this article apart, my only point is that history and opinions vary. Maybe some of their rulers served at the same time, governing different parts of the kingdom, and succession wasn’t linear for each one. And, personally, I don’t take a lot of stock in Ussher’s date either… if the Bible had wanted a date-stamp it would have given one. The Flood happened.

 

[trophy33]

You mean God?

Bible was not written by God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who are "they", exactly? Do you know the names of authors and editors of Genesis texts?

Adam, Shem, Jacob, Joseph, just to name a few.

Two words: toledoth and colophons.

 

[AV1611VET]

Led Zeppelin 24:37 And blarg begat Frab and Goob.

Real scholarly. That should insure you won't understand.

But then I can just see the Muses saying: "Mission accomplished."

 

[AV1611VET]

Entrobus 47;63 Huh? What are you prattling now?
39 Huh? The dukes of Edom? What is this crapeth?
45 Huh? Whateth are you oneth about now?

Just trying to light a light bulb.

 

[trophy33]

Adam, Shem, Jacob, Joseph, just to name a few.

Two words: toledoth and colophons.

There is virtually no source in the history of Christianity that says that Genesis is written/edited by Adam, Shem, Jacob etc. You are simply making the stuff up.

Traditionally, it was ascribed to Moses. Thats the best you can get. But even Moses is very hard to defend, because it was usual to name books according to main figures, not according to authors.

 

[AV1611VET]

When we accept that all today's main nations descended from the first people in Mesopotamia after the flood, we must push the flood much more back to the past than most creationists propose.

Because China was already there when they propose the flood happened.

Whooosh!

 

[trophy33]

Whooosh!

?

 

[AV1611VET]

Bible was not written by God.

By God it was.

 

[trophy33]

By God it was.

No, God does not write our books, He is a Spirit. Its written in the Bible ;-)

 

[AV1611VET]

You are simply making the stuff up.

Just made that up, did I?

Even though I mentioned "toldoth" and "colophon"?

Academia is proud of you.

 

[Speedwell]

When we accept that all today's main nations descended from the first people in Mesopotamia after the flood, we must push the flood much more back to the past than most creationists propose.

Because China was already there when they propose the flood happened.

Time always seems to be the wild card to me. Science can’t even explain why it only flows forward and not backward. And, at what point in time did our history supposedly become accurate (many argue never)? The Egyptian timeline is not even agreed upon by everyone New timeline for origin of ancient Egypt. No reason to pick this article apart, my only point is that history and opinions vary. Maybe some of their rulers served at the same time, governing different parts of the kingdom, and succession wasn’t linear for each one. And, personally, I don’t take a lot of stock in Ussher’s date either… if the Bible had wanted a date-stamp it would have given one. The Flood happened.

But it would not be the "Noah's Flood" we are discussing here. We are discussing a flood which is asserted to have covered the entire terrestrial globe at a specific date in the 3rd millennium BC. The possibility of a mammoth ancient flood which later gave rise to the Noah story is not seriously challenged by any of us "Bible skeptics" and would not in any case be acceptable to creationists.

 

[trophy33]

Academia is proud of you.

If you are not here to give some solid responses, why do you even participate in the conversation?

 

[trophy33]

But it would not be the "Noah's Flood" we are discussing here. We are discussing a flood which is asserted to have covered the entire terrestrial globe at a specific date in the 3rd millennium BC.

But there is nothing in the Noah's story saying that it covered the globe and happened in the 3rd millenium BC. So...

So, a local Mesopotamian catastrophe in the beginnings of human civilization (so that it affected seriously the humanity as such) is still a valid reading of the story.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, God does not write our books, He is a Spirit. Its written in the Bible ;-)

Three words: Verbal Plenary Inspiration.

 

[trophy33]

Three words: Verbal Plenary Inspiration.

Already proven wrong. You return to the beginning of the circle.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you are not here to give some solid responses, why do you even participate in the conversation?

Then let's just end it, how's that?

 

[AV1611VET]

Already proven wrong. You return to the beginning of the circle.

Suit yourself.

 

[trophy33]

Then let's just end it, how's that?

Nobody is forcing you to participate here.