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I've got it! I know what Evolution is missing and I'm not going to tell...

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I don't get it. You seem to be confident that I have chosen the subject of this thread - I did not choose, but the Holy Spirit within me chose.

Sorry, but I don't believe that the Holy Spirit said to you, "I want you to start a thread announcing that you have found something out and you are not going to tell anybody that you've announced this to, what it is."

The Holy Spirit's role is to draw people to Jesus so they can be saved, glorify Jesus and change us into Jesus' image, 2 Corinthians 3:18.
It is not to make childish announcements about things that aren't important.

Like I said, Evolution drives me crazy and I am trying to learn to cope.

Personally, I'd forget it.
God created the universe and God's in charge of his world - all we need to know.

And now I really am out of here.
 
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Seriously, treat me as a dog and this will go a whole lot smoother.

Has this all come about because of a simple misunderstanding? We say "heal" to a Christian, not "heel".
 
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To be fair, my reply was more to the user "Warden of the South".

I am saying, I can be humbled to the point of a dog.

As for claiming Evolution cannot be holy - I disagree.

I've never once seen you pretend to even act humbled. And no, evolution is not holy BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REGLIGION OR A DEITY!!!
 
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I've got it.

What's missing is the humanity, of the theory of Evolution: in the Bible it talks about the struggle it is to keep the words of Jesus - how it's hard and repetitive and not what you expect.

Paul the Apostle says "who will free me from this body of death, for what I want to do, I do not do, but what I do not want to do, that I do" - there is no possible assertion that the struggle to believe, is just going to fade away, during this life.

Jesus said "when you've lost everything in this life, if you've done it for Me, then you will get it all back, including persecutions' (my italics) - in other words, even if we are rewarded in this life, with what we had before, we will still have to struggle with it.

So what is it that is hard to grasp and do something about, in Evolution? What would make Evolution a struggle, if for example, "mutation" is no struggle.

This should point to the efficacy, of what you believe,, no matter the subject (or theory).
The theory of evolution is just a scientific theory about biology. It has nothing to do with God or our salvation in Christ. It's not about that or a substitute for it.
 
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Hi there,

So I know what I have been looking for all this time, all the reasoning, all the wrangling - about Evolution. But you know what? I'm not going to tell you. Jesus, specifically said "don't throw what is holy to the dogs, lest they turn on you and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

My question is, once this becomes the norm for the species (not telling), what selection pressure will there be on that restraint and the individuals that have it? Is there an end to selection pressure, or something added to try and cope with it?

You might say, "the silence will make sensitivity to other things in its place, grow greater" or you might say "the silence will overlap with what is known about Evolution, and force Evolution to accomodate the possibility that it is not as needed, as before"?

This is serious. If gravity stops being communicated, gravity doesn't stop - but then gravity is not a colloquial expression for an appreciation of a species, but a force. That said, even gravity waxes and wanes and communicating the same way at different points in its cycle, affects communication in a way, that relates to (the communication's) agreement with it (the gravity). Just as a resonant frequency can force structures to collapse, so syncopation with gravity can create additional mass.

The point is, interpretation matters, and it behoves someone presenting a theory, to also suggest a particular interpretation among others - if only to secure a defence against bias, by declaring a position, that might be able to shed light on biases, between different interpretations. Churches are all people, uniting together, but there are many flavours, which help bring the point of uniting in Christ into view. So far Evolution has elected to call itself a science, with strong biological roots, but no word as to what lives or dies in Evolution, done one way or another.

I warn you that it will matter, what you say about Evolution - just as Jesus said "he that rejects me, will be judged by the word I have spoken to him" (John 12:48). If you continue to be "Evolved" and you reject Jesus, the fact that Jesus said you will be judged, will vex you indefinitely. That is stronger, than any mutation, that Evolution could point at. In essence, your refusal to share Evolution, what it means to you - in a practical sense - will rob you of what it means, in the end. You don't want this; it is something you have to discipline yourself in: not taking advantage of the obscurity surrounding "Evolution".

I've been told I am not focussing on the science, many times, so suffice it to say that meaning is stored in DNA and Evolution if it is anything, must be a specific kind of meaning. I am interested, in what happens to that DNA, when it attenuates syncopation with an object that gives it survival - that is, what happens to my DNA the more I become like "Jesus". I fully do not expect, Evolution to remain unchanged, in the face of the overawing revelation of Jesus Christ. There is a way out here, as relates specifically to what confidence we have in Jesus successively changing us, to His Father's end (Lord, make it alive, in Your Name Amen).

What I am not doing, is presenting a case, that Jesus has no effect on DNA and that Evolution alters it all completely randomly. Thanks for taking that as a foundation, in this discussion - not leaving it to the end (what you think of it).

So you still have no idea what evolution is then. Ok.
 
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1. If you can't explain it simply, maybe you don't really understand it.

2. As a matter of faith, I share the words I believe with the world - which includes which words we should have faith in, in relation to which subject.

All I have been offered by Evolutionists to date, is an ad hoc mess of platitudes that bear no relation to each other.

It really does seem to me, the more you insist I learn biology or get a Phd in physics, the more you are basically in denial that the Evolution you believe in, has never even once been about someone other than you.

What can I say, to take the sting out of that? Jesus is never going to help you hurt yourself, you should trust Him - whatever His God says is Law; perhaps if you desire some sort of 'law' to go along with your faith in "Evolution" you should make room, for Him.

No?

No.
Evolution is a purely biological process of imperfect genetic self replication, as filtered through selective pressures in the environment.
Selective pressures may include food availability, climate variation, predation, mate preference, pathogens, or any other force that favours some traits over others.
 
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And no, evolution is not holy BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RELIGION OR A DEITY!!!
It doesn't have to be a religion or a deity.

Exodus 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Acts 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.
 
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It doesn't have to be a religion or a deity.

Exodus 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Acts 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.

The word holy nearly always refers to something religious. Evolution is not a religion, nor a deity, nor is it holy. It's just a fact of science.
 
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The word holy nearly always refers to something religious. Evolution is not a religion, nor a deity, nor is it holy. It's just a fact of science.
The words "holy," "sacred," and "consecrate" simply mean: "set aside."
 
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The words "holy," "sacred," and "consecrate" simply mean: "set aside."

But they refer, in nearly all cases of us, to something that is religious in nature.
Except when it's sport related. Then it gets weird.

You're arguing a very weird case here.
 
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Although you have nothing to show that evolution is wrong, so...
The Bible shows it wrong.

But as far as convincing believers in it that it's wrong, that's the Holy Spirit's job.
 
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The Bible shows it wrong.

But as far as convincing believers in it that it's wrong, that's the Holy Spirit's job.

Yes, the Bible says it's wrong. But then the evidence of God's creation that we have shows us that it's correct.
So... yeah, I'll have to side with God's actual creation over a book.
 
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But they refer, in nearly all cases of us, to something that is religious in nature.
For the most part, yes.

God can make something holy by consecrating it.

Remember the Tabernacle in the Wilderness? it contained an area known as "the Holy of Holies."

In the case of Moses, God came down and set aside that area around the bush as a dedicated area.

The point of all this we're talking about is that inanimate objects can be made holy.
 
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For the most part, yes.

God can make something holy by consecrating it.

Remember the Tabernacle in the Wilderness? it contained an area known as "the Holy of Holies."

In the case of Moses, God came down and set aside that area around the bush as a dedicated area.

The point of all this we're talking about is that inanimate objects can be made holy.

And evolution isn't something that is holy.
 
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