• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

I've got it! I know what Evolution is missing and I'm not going to tell...

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,185
52,419
Guam
✟5,115,187.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
So why start the whole thing in post #49?
For your edification.

Remember what you screamed at Gottservant?
And no, evolution is not holy BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RELIGION OR A DEITY!!!
It doesn't have to be a religion or a deity to be holy.

So you were right, evolution is not holy, but for the wrong reason.
 
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
14,853
7,327
31
Wales
✟420,304.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
For your edification.

Remember what you screamed at Gottservant?It doesn't have to be a religion or a deity to be holy.

So you were right, evolution is not holy, but for the wrong reason.

But when gottservant talks about evolution, he invariably tries to link to being a religion, so when he calls it holy, he's trying to label it as a religion. Which is a load of bull-poo.

And how can something be not holy but for the wrong reason? That's a double-negative. Unless you're just going with the old "LIE OF SATAN!" spiel again.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,185
52,419
Guam
✟5,115,187.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
And how can something be not holy but for the wrong reason?
Sigh.

This gets so repetitive.

Let's go over this again, and I'll reword it.

You were right, but you were right for the wrong reason.
 
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
14,853
7,327
31
Wales
✟420,304.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
Sigh.

This gets so repetitive.

Let's go over this again, and I'll reword it.

You were right, but you were right for the wrong reason.

Then tell me why I was wrong instead of you beating around the bush.
 
  • Prayers
Reactions: Gottservant
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,185
52,419
Guam
✟5,115,187.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I have a fairly large collection of videos in which I explain evolution simply and clearly.
Wow ... that top video; are you in a Hindu garden or something? I only watched the first 60 seconds of it, as someone is speaking in tongues in the background, and it's hard to understand what you're saying.

I'll see how the bottom one goes.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,185
52,419
Guam
✟5,115,187.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
We are all adults here.
Okay.

I watched the bottom one.

According to the New Age Movement, the dolphin has the distinction as the most intelligent.

Remember Darwin on seaQuest DSV?
 
Upvote 0

Frank Robert

Well-Known Member
Feb 18, 2021
2,389
1,169
KW
✟145,443.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
I've been told I am not focussing on the science, many times, so suffice it to say that meaning is stored in DNA and Evolution if it is anything, must be a specific kind of meaning. I am interested, in what happens to that DNA, when it attenuates syncopation with an object that gives it survival - that is, what happens to my DNA the more I become like "Jesus". I fully do not expect, Evolution to remain unchanged, in the face of the overawing revelation of Jesus Christ. There is a way out here, as relates specifically to what confidence we have in Jesus successively changing us, to His Father's end (Lord, make it alive, in Your Name Amen).
Although you are not going there, this brings up an interesting question: Can our beliefs effect our DNA? Some think so.

Thoughts and Emotions Change Gene Expression
Thinking affects gene expression in cells of the Brain and the rest of the Body. This in turn affects the structure,
function, and the health of the Body. Toxic thinking harms the normal functioning of the Body.
 
Upvote 0

Mr Laurier

Well-Known Member
Mar 26, 2021
1,141
366
58
Georgian Bay/Bruce Peninsula
✟39,084.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Wow ... that top video; are you in a Hindu garden or something? I only watched the first 60 seconds of it, as someone is speaking in tongues in the background, and it's hard to understand what you're saying.

I'll see how the bottom one goes.
I'm on my balcony. But there is a Hindu hymn playing in the background
 
Upvote 0

Mr Laurier

Well-Known Member
Mar 26, 2021
1,141
366
58
Georgian Bay/Bruce Peninsula
✟39,084.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Okay.

I watched the bottom one.

According to the New Age Movement, the dolphin has the distinction as the most intelligent.

Remember Darwin on seaQuest DSV?

I had to look up "seaQuest DSV". It was a TV show. I never knew it existed until you brought it up today.
Alas, the "New Age Movement" exists only in the minds of the people trying to stop it.
Anglo-protestant reactionary extremists trying to blame the problems their political/economic ideology causes, on several unrelated social phenomena they refuse understand.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Speedwell
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Hood was a loser.
Mar 11, 2017
21,224
16,049
55
USA
✟403,667.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
I just assume that if Gravity is "relative", then in absolute terms there will be low and high gravity states.



Again, I just assume that if a resonant frequency can bring a building down, syncopation at the level of Gravity is able to intensify the law, that creates that 'gravity'.

I am interested to know what you think treating Evolution as a force, does for that force? It seems spurious to me, that you want "Evolution" to be respected as an expression of physics, in the context of a biology - when as we all know, other properties are quantized and recontextualised in the light of the theory that goes with them.

I really don't know what a "little bit" of Evolution is, yet here we are and you are saying "I can mutate, a different Evolution" that is "regardless of how it is quantized".

Perhaps we should be looking at the context, in which there are too many alternatives, to employ for a given selection pressure, and how Evolution deals, with that?

First of all, this isn't physics, it's nonsense.

Second, syncopation is a term regarding rhythm, and not anything else I can find. I'm not sure you're hip enough to handle syncopation.

I'm not trying to treat evolution as "a force". Certainly not in the sense of a physical force (like gravity). (biological/species) Evolution is a *process* not a force.

Resonant vibrations in structures aren't about gravity. They are about driving a vibration into a structure that matches the natural vibration frequency of structure causing it to break. Once it is broken, *then* it is no longer be strong enough to hold the structure up and it will fail. This is also why engineers don't use marshmallows for structural elements -- they aren't strong enough. No gravity is enhanced during such a failure.

Gravity is not "relative" with high and low states, it is the result of the local curvature of space which in turn is the result of the matter-energy density. That is all.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Astrophile
Upvote 0

stevil

Godless and without morals
Feb 5, 2011
8,548
6,729
✟293,653.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Hi there,

So I know what I have been looking for all this time, all the reasoning, all the wrangling - about Evolution. But you know what? I'm not going to tell you. Jesus, specifically said "don't throw what is holy to the dogs, lest they turn on you and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).
In my opinion, any religious belief or organisation which requires it's members to reject evolution can be immediately discarded as nonsense.

It can be used as a way to quickly filter out some of the nonsense that is out there.
 
Upvote 0

Mr Laurier

Well-Known Member
Mar 26, 2021
1,141
366
58
Georgian Bay/Bruce Peninsula
✟39,084.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
The "New Age Movement" is not a movement. It is a grab bag of diverse ideas that have no common ground other than being seen as scary by the American Christian Fundamentalist movement.
A term created to try to force fit Civil rights, "Big Bang" Cosmology, the Pagan revival, Evolution, Buddhism, Feminism, Carnival sideshows, Labour unions, Gay rights, the Peace movement, Hinduism, Anarchist philosophy, Rock and roll music, Black resistance, and Environmental stewardship, into a single box.
They called this box "The New Age Movement". And attributed to it all sorts of crazy and fantastical motivations and plots.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Speedwell
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,281
8,501
Milwaukee
✟411,038.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Hi there,

So I know what I have been looking for all this time, all the reasoning, all the wrangling - about Evolution. But you know what? I'm not going to tell you. Jesus, specifically said "don't throw what is holy to the dogs, lest they turn on you and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

My question is, once this becomes the norm for the species (not telling), what selection pressure will there be on that restraint and the individuals that have it? Is there an end to selection pressure, or something added to try and cope with it?

You might say, "the silence will make sensitivity to other things in its place, grow greater" or you might say "the silence will overlap with what is known about Evolution, and force Evolution to accomodate the possibility that it is not as needed, as before"?

This is serious. If gravity stops being communicated, gravity doesn't stop - but then gravity is not a colloquial expression for an appreciation of a species, but a force. That said, even gravity waxes and wanes and communicating the same way at different points in its cycle, affects communication in a way, that relates to (the communication's) agreement with it (the gravity). Just as a resonant frequency can force structures to collapse, so syncopation with gravity can create additional mass.

The point is, interpretation matters, and it behoves someone presenting a theory, to also suggest a particular interpretation among others - if only to secure a defence against bias, by declaring a position, that might be able to shed light on biases, between different interpretations. Churches are all people, uniting together, but there are many flavours, which help bring the point of uniting in Christ into view. So far Evolution has elected to call itself a science, with strong biological roots, but no word as to what lives or dies in Evolution, done one way or another.

I warn you that it will matter, what you say about Evolution - just as Jesus said "he that rejects me, will be judged by the word I have spoken to him" (John 12:48). If you continue to be "Evolved" and you reject Jesus, the fact that Jesus said you will be judged, will vex you indefinitely. That is stronger, than any mutation, that Evolution could point at. In essence, your refusal to share Evolution, what it means to you - in a practical sense - will rob you of what it means, in the end. You don't want this; it is something you have to discipline yourself in: not taking advantage of the obscurity surrounding "Evolution".

I've been told I am not focussing on the science, many times, so suffice it to say that meaning is stored in DNA and Evolution if it is anything, must be a specific kind of meaning. I am interested, in what happens to that DNA, when it attenuates syncopation with an object that gives it survival - that is, what happens to my DNA the more I become like "Jesus". I fully do not expect, Evolution to remain unchanged, in the face of the overawing revelation of Jesus Christ. There is a way out here, as relates specifically to what confidence we have in Jesus successively changing us, to His Father's end (Lord, make it alive, in Your Name Amen).

What I am not doing, is presenting a case, that Jesus has no effect on DNA and that Evolution alters it all completely randomly. Thanks for taking that as a foundation, in this discussion - not leaving it to the end (what you think of it).

Evolution works just fine and God has no action in it or any effect on it.
It like when you turn on the heat under an egg in the morning.
You don't need God to step in and perform miracle to cook your egg.
It changes dramatically just because it does. Life is a miracle but not
because God tweaks anything. God has a plan and life happens as planned.
 
Upvote 0